Started by Rising Spirit, September 10, 2018, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: physics envy on September 11, 2018, 01:14:00 PMHave you read Tryptamine Palace by James Oroc? He has a chapter with a theory that might be similar (or maybe completely different) where he theorizes the psychedelic experience akin to a Bose-Einstein condensate from my recollection. I admit I haven't read the book in many years and don't recall the details, but maybe worth reviewing to see if it's anything similar to what you're considering?
Quote from: RoundAboutEEG is fairly simple technology that is being embraced by hobbyists, and professional researchers presumably have access to even more advanced equipment. There have been studies of people meditating, on drugs, and probably most other interesting states that can be induced while not moving too much. There is immense pressure to publish novel research. Why haven't they discovered this 'omega frequency'? Has it just been sitting there in the data all this time, despite many, many experts looking through this sort of data? I think everyone would be interested in finding it. So how has it escaped everyone's attention?
Quote from: RoundAbout Edit: To be more clear, it sounds like you're suggesting something likely detectable in a well researched area based on... a feeling? I doubt you've ever used an EEG to differentiate brain activity... it seems much more likely that you're just being fanciful. If you liked my comment based on believing it was somehow supporting your initial idea, it may be because you have a large bias.
Quote from: Rising Spirit on September 23, 2018, 08:46:54 PMI strongly suspect that if said Omega state were easily detectable, it would surely be considered just another frequency of brain wave activity, albeit somewhat of an anomaly. Then again, it may well be a state of suspended activity. When thoughts become still, when Samadhi reaches full bloom, just what takes place neurologically? The tools of the trade are created to find what they are crafted to locate. In my personal profession as a bench jeweler, lapidary artist, gemologist and long time student of the geometry of crystallography, we find that yesterday's parameters and established ranges of mapping well-established territories... are today's antiquated, somewhat obsolete notions. Each new breakthrough redefines the whole game. Science is discovery not dogmatism. Refractive indexes, specific gravity, internal structural density/hardness and chemical composition are set within a defined spectrum and until new examples arrive, these are essentially the laws by which the science as a whole, operates within. We catalog the known and the quantifiable phenomena. Still, new gemstones are discovered that measure outside if established grounds and exist as the object of much delight amongst fellow gem peoples. This expands the current stratagem to a new degree of possibility and demands alternative measurement (yet another paradigmatic occurrence redefining science and human understanding). Likewise, the proposed Omega state could be outside of EEG's ordinary field of detection? It's exciting to speculate.
Quote from: Rising Spirit on September 23, 2018, 08:46:54 PMOuch and yeah, "OUCH" again. Let's play nice. I liked your reply simply because you made it, no agenda nor any bias involved. You expressed your ideas clearly, providing documentation and that made me smile. Thank you for your insights and the pertinent links... but please, there's no need to condescend. That being yelped, I strongly question the content of your projections about my ideas, as I base my theory upon my direct personal and supra-personal experiences, themselves born of deep inquiry and shifting attention from the relative, transitory mind sequences, towards a seamless immersion into the Unified Field. Yes, my notion is inspired through intuition but that doesn't mean it is without validity.I have come to discover that my brain is an incredibly complex processor of multifarious data, a repository of multiples of thoughts, impressions and ideas firing ad infinitum. My hypothesis is neither fanciful nor is it a mere feeling. Granted, it's like trying to describe a new color based on our perception of the infra red through ultra violet color spectrum. Many intrepid psychonauts do report seeing new colors which exist beyond our ordinary understanding and defy any kind quantification. After all, some things occur in extraordinary states of heightened consciousness and cannot feasibly be measured outside of said higher states. Again, I sincerely thank you for your reply. Be well and shine brightly.
Quote from: RoundAboutI never said I disbelieve that spectacular undiscovered changes occur in the brain while under the influence of powerful molecules. I think that it seems unlikely that these changes are attributable to this omega frequency, unless you grant that it is somehow extremely difficult to detect. As a non-expert, assuming limitations of a technique and its engineering seems fraught unless well justified, especially if the limitation is present within the ordinary use of the technology. In absence of strong justification, it seems like one is disparaging the technology to advance their own beliefs.
Quote from: RoundAboutTo address the main thrust of your statements: I think an analogy can be made with mineralogy in the discovery of the first natural quasi-crystal, icosahedrite. It was found by searching databases of X-ray diffraction patterns that had the potential to be misinterpreted as minerals, while actually being quasi-crystalline (and therefore lacking translational symmetry). It was then confirmed with detailed measurements. Why was it searched for? The precedent was found in decades of quasi-crystal synthesis in chemistry. Unbeknownst to the researchers, this exact quasi-crystal had even been synthesized before, whereas this sample was from an asteroid. There are probably mountains of EEG data, but where is your precedent, and how will you actually search for it? Does it mimic seizure activity or something?
Quote from: RoundAboutI lack tact in the absence of tone, my apologies (not saying that reading my comment with proper tone would make it tactful, just that I resort to rudeness in text conversation to avoid confusion). I engage with consensus reality, and if you want to lead me a few steps off that path, I will entertain those notions. I will not follow you to your world, where few people are. I think that if you are unable to interface these two worlds for most people, they will have no desire to follow your exact thoughts. My comment on you not using an EEG before was simply a statement that the first step down that path might be comparing your state with the feedback from an EEG; this is not condescension. I don't know.
Quote from: RoundAboutI agree that these experiences simply aren't understood scientifically. But why then, must they directly relate to this particular thing which is probably currently measurable? To be frank, it's what you thought while/from taking large amounts of drugs.it is what it is
Quote from: Rising Spirit on October 04, 2018, 12:27:58 AMTo be equally frank, there are no limits to conscious-awareness. Intuition may not be a science but it is a force which often leads to new breakthroughs and discoveries. "Who feels it knows it".
Quote from: RoundAboutThanks for the response.OK, so can you estimate the frequency in Hz and tell us which areas of the brain the omega frequency is most active in?
Quote from: Rising Spirit on November 01, 2018, 01:10:24 PMI like to note that from the onset of the acceptance of the science of EEG, way back in 1959, much has unfolded. Even gamma wave research had to be built by expanding the criteria in selecting participants to study. Yogins and Buddhist monks have contributed a good deal to what we have gleaned above higher brain functioning....Often, said truth is only a mystery until new discovery brings light to breakthroughs in our collective understanding. It's exciting to think about the burgeoning advances in our present technology, isn't it? The best is yet to come!
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