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Toads Venom Use Is Not An Ancient Indigneous Tradition

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andym:
If you watch that full Hamilton Doco Dr Gerry says that Toad populations have been decimated in the last 10 years. If we harvest the 5-Meo unethically I don't think it makes us much better than people who harvest Whales for eating, Chop up old growth forest for wood chips, Ivory from Elephants or Rhino horn to get their dicks hard. At least Dr Gerry is trying to set up some reserve. I imagine 5-Meo is like Ayahuasca was ten years ago, on the fringe but once the word gets out and it becomes more popular the Toad population will suffer even more dramatically. Look at the old peaceful towns where you used to get Aya in Peru, they have turned into a nasty circuses once the money came in with dodgy operators/shaman and greedy fundamentalist like Non-profit groups.

Maybe as a community we should think about turning to the synthetic options so we don't have to hang our heads in shame in a few years when these little guys are pushed to extinction.

HumbleVoyager:
I agree, synthetic is the way to go.

However, I feel that Dr. Gerry is a hypocrite in that he says toad populations are being decimated yet he continues to harvest venom from the toads. It's a situation of do as I say not as I do. I don't see him leading by example and that's poor form.

As for the "reserve", that's ridiculous. No reserve would be necessary if the toads were left alone and it were illegal for ALL people to harvest toad venom. The idea of a reserve is just a way to have unlimited toad venom in one's back yard.

Shy Violet wrote a really good post on the topic of toad extinction in the Ethics and Ecology section, well worth checking out: https://forums.5meodmt.org/index.php/topic,50443.0.html

gurudedicationananda:

--- Quote from: HumbleVoyager on January 13, 2018, 01:44:04 PM ---I agree, synthetic is the way to go.

However, I feel that Dr. Gerry is a hypocrite in that he says toad populations are being decimated yet he continues to harvest venom from the toads. It's a situation of do as I say not as I do. I don't see him leading by example and that's poor form.

As for the "reserve", that's ridiculous. No reserve would be necessary if the toads were left alone and it were illegal for ALL people to harvest toad venom. The idea of a reserve is just a way to have unlimited toad venom in one's back yard.

Shy Violet wrote a really good post on the topic of toad extinction in the Ethics and Ecology section, well worth checking out: https://forums.5meodmt.org/index.php/topic,50443.0.html

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This is disturbing to say the least, and is most certainly disappointing for me.
I was convinced that Dr. G as he calls himself was a very honest and straightforward guy, and that the work he is doing with a bufo ranch was out of the goodness of his being, in order to ensure that bufo alvarius populations rise again and that the toads thrive and survive and live in abundant populations.
It's also disappointing because I was planning on going to see him for the longest time, ever since I first heard of him and his work, even though he lives quite a distance from me.
Soon he will be visiting close to where I live, and I planned on visiting him there for 5-meo-dmt ceremonies.
He seemed authentic to me; maybe I am just not a very good judge of character?

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