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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Alive-Alive-Oh
« on: May 03, 2023, 01:09:08 PM »

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 29, 2023, 08:42:10 AM »
I liked the article too, but want to encourage for the sake of discussion that we share not only links to external articles but that we also share excerpts that are meaningful or of particular note. Or giving some summary/context of the link that’s being shared.

For example, I might say the following:

I just read this article that I think covers well the full picture surrounding the Church of Psilomethoxin, especially the way it presents information in a well-organized format and includes interviews with multiple involved parties. In particular, I found it did [insert detail(s) here] well.

[insert link]

Ah, thanks for clarifying!

I imagine this ROA is not as common or popular because many people are (rightfully so) hesitant to inject drugs, and especially when said drug hasn’t been tested and is very potent.

It’s significantly more risky than pretty much every other ROA, besides perhaps the danger of burning one’s self or setting something on fire if vaporizing.

Preparation and Integration / Re: microdosing
« on: April 24, 2023, 05:53:06 PM »
You’re welcome! I hope that’s helpful, though I know it’s not exactly directly answering your question.  <3

To my knowledge, no one has ever had a problem with physical safety during reactivations unless they had a history of self-harm tendencies.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 24, 2023, 05:42:20 PM »
Speaking of Martin Ball!
Here is a new podcast in which he responds to various aspects of the Usona study, among other things.

May be time for bingo…

But in all seriousness, care to summarize some of the main points you found compelling?

What would make the thread more robust?

Preparation and Integration / Re: microdosing
« on: April 23, 2023, 12:04:45 AM »
You may want to review this report:

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 22, 2023, 11:51:35 PM »
Martin Ball should not be trusted as an authority on this subject for many reasons, but one of them being that he was advertising their sacrament.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 21, 2023, 10:52:22 AM »
These are all excellent points ayalight.

It’s especially concerning that a church would argue for not being sure what exactly is in their sacrament, as that opens up all kinds of possibilities for exploitation. It’s a violation of consent to give someone something that is misrepresented. For example, if someone thought they were drinking ayahuasca that contained caapi and chacruna but it also had datura. This takes agency away from the vulnerable person (in this case the one who is receiving the sacrament).

The actual production of the substance itself raises other legal questions given that both psilocybin and 5 Men DMT are illegal. Again to my mind it seems premature to create and promote a church when so many outstanding questions need to be considered and resolved. In my view it’s best to be patient, do research and quietly build a community instead of marketing it to a wide public.

This was my first concern long ago when I first heard about the church. The possession of TWO illegal substances puts everyone at risk and muddies the waters in determining what the sacrament is. If they need to grow psilocybin mushrooms and they need to feed mushroom substrate 5-MeO-DMT, then it requires quite a bit of backend preparation to make the sacrament.

I am all for freedom of religion and spiritual practice but it should be done ethically, with an understanding of power dynamics involved and keeping the best interests of church members in mind.

Introductions/Newbies / Re: Greetings-Introduction
« on: April 15, 2023, 10:23:27 AM »
Welcome Ayalight! Great to have you here.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 15, 2023, 10:20:39 AM »
The church has clearly said in multiple places that their sacrament contains (and is) psilomethoxin, not psilocybin. They are now backpedaling of course but there’s plenty of evidence showing that they were making that claim.

The levels of psilocybin, psilocin, and baeocystin were comparable to those found in typical cubensis mushrooms.

People claiming that the article was “AI Generated” are referring to the mention in the acknowledgements section that ChatGPT helped write the article. However, ChatGPT did not perform any of the analyses, or the relevant science. There are no problems with software helping write a manuscript.

Introductions/Newbies / Re: Greetings :)
« on: April 13, 2023, 04:23:12 PM »
Welcome :)

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 13, 2023, 12:08:14 PM »
The Church of Psilomethoxin has issued a statement on their website in response:

Although the statement says that the church has never claimed their sacrament to contain psilomethoxin, there is content on their website to suggest otherwise [see attachment].

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 12, 2023, 03:28:31 PM »
Good question. This is what Dr. Sherwood had to say about that question:

“That's a great question!
Although psilomethoxin had not been produced as a standard (this is underway and hence why the manuscript is a preprint), we were able to search for the presence or absence of it based on its proposed molecular structure and its exact monoisotopic mass. By comparing the retention time and accurate mass of the ions detected in the sample with those of known tryptamines, it was quite clear that psilomethoxin was not detected in the sample (and would have been if present).”

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