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Thanks for your response HumbleVoyager. Very useful. I'm pretty confident regarding the integrity of the substance, but I'm going to consider the option you suggest, of getting it verified.

I have found a youtube video which gives a simple answer and instruction for conversion to salt. I think I will first try vapor, as you have talked about. I've basically come to the same conclusion you suggested: that there's some minor oxidation, which likely wouldn't be much of a problem. IMO there's a greater likelihood of accidentally taking too large a dose by using the salt which is mostly (but not completely!) avoided by vaping (carefully).

Great to hear from you Rising Spirit! We likely have had similar trajectories on these issues: I first learned TM in 1972.


My practice is a "no-practice" in the sense that "I" attempt only to see ever more clearly that in actual experience there is "not two" (i.e., not a subject and object; not a "me" and everything else). It's a tough game, lol. I have had 3 very distinctive "kensho" experiences in this (one of which was in 1973, after doing TM for about a year). I'd like to see if 5 can help me push the envelope a bit -- even though I know through direct experience that there is no "me" and there's nothing to "push."


Among contemporary people discussing these issues I've found several who note initial help from Jean Reno to have substantial things to say: Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, and Stefan Bodian are some. Like you, I'm very wary and resistant toward "teachers" and formal structures of training. No one can do this for us, and depending on some "all knowing" other person to say exactly what you need to hear exactly when you need it seems..."over wishful." And so I've struggled on. I also once had a knock-your-socks-off experience simply by reading some work by Douglas Harding.


I also have some ambivalence regarding experiences from others regarding entheogens. Many have clearly seen what's to be seen over and over again -- yet most I've heard from seem to have ended up being "tourists" rather than "Buddhas." Apparently, just seeing it is not enough. I'm hoping that I've laid a groundwork over fifty years such that "seeing it" will be a broader experience than it has seemed to be for others using enthoegens...


Finally, there is the issue of safety and purity of product: no small issue. I'd like to learn more about direct synthesis on one's own. Supposedly, there is a new method which produces a succinyl salt which generates a 99+% yield of the salt, with relatively straightforward and easy to acquire precursors. I'm always on the lookout for any information in that vein.


Best wishes to you Rising Spirit!

Hi all ! My first post. I acquired some synthetic about 2+ years ago, and stored it (in plastic) in a freezer since then. At first it was off-white in color. Now there's a definite brown cast to it. It was identified to me as freebase.


Has it gone bad? What would happened if it were vaped as is? Is there any way to "refresh" it? Could I convert it to salt and refresh it that way? I want to be able to use this. Ultimately, I think it might be best to convert to salt and take sublingually (is that preferred?), rather than vape. If it were to be vaped, what is a proper vaping temperature (using a temperature set volcano vaporizer)?


It seems to me that salt/sublingual would allow for easiest dosage experimentation and adjustment. Any opinions on that?


Thanks. Best wishes to all.

I have a 20 year off-and-on interest in entheogens -- along with a VERY keen, 50 year practice of various meditation endeavors. I have no experience yet with 5, although I possess some synthetic. My immediate interest is freebase/salt conversions and storage issues. I look forward to being a constructive contributor and member.