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#41
Introductions/Newbies / hello everyone!
Last post by gabhasti-nemih - December 22, 2023, 03:51:10 AM
im new here and like reading books of Srila Prabhupada regarding everything that exists under the sun.
#42
5-MeO-DMT Experiences and Testimonials / Re: Cosmic ecstasy, first tast...
Last post by Frog - December 20, 2023, 03:59:57 PM
Thank you Rising Spirit for your understanding of this experience !

  :)

 _/|\_  _/|\_  _/|\_
#43
General Discussion / Re: Five Key Stages of The 5-M...
Last post by Frog - December 20, 2023, 07:04:33 AM
Thank you for your comment Rising Spirit !
 _/|\_
#44
Quote from: frog"After the second dose, which could be described as a release of tension, I take the last dose of 10 mg.
Immediately, when my head hit the pillow, there was an explosion of light and a rapid expansion towards the cosmos!
Blast off.
A powerful and irresistible energy, in which I agree to let myself be carried away, overwhelmed.
I did not offer resistance. Anyway, is it possible to resist this tsunami? The room and its occupants disappeared.
I was only aware of my breathing.
I think I was this expanding light.
It was a moment of bliss that I could also describe as ecstasy, euphoria or cosmic orgasm!
Letting go was liberating and the immersion in this powerful light extended into the cosmos.
I felt that I was that light.
No thoughts, no fear, no memory, nothing, just ecstasy!
With each exhalation I heard myself say Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
of wonder, of astonishment!

How can i describe this light, this space? I still wonder.

I was not afraid of dying, nor felt that I was dead. There were no concept of god either. This light was benevolent .
Frankly I don't feel that I've experienced an ego dissolution.  Or could this happen without pain ?                                                               

At the end of the ceremony, I had the impression of having lived a cosmic trip, and it was the most intense, special, astonishing, beneficial and liberating experience of my life.
I have never experienced anything like this."

Just beautiful.  I humbly submit that you have indeed experienced ego dissolution.  Granted, there are degrees of ego dissolution but tasting the ecstasy of the undifferentiated light demands both surrender and a kind of soulful receptivity.  I am overjoyed that your inaugural voyages were so powerful.
 Aho, Namaste and Namaskar.   _/|\_  _/|\_ 
#45
General Discussion / Re: Five Key Stages of The 5-M...
Last post by Rising Spirit - December 19, 2023, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: Frog on December 17, 2023, 10:20:47 AMHello to all!

I guest that those 5 stages are dose dependant,and that they portrait a full experience.

''Yet, are we returned the same as before the intrepid voyage was initiated?  Hardly. ''

I think that we return at least a bit different with a shallow experience and a lot with a deep one.

The days following my initiation ,i noticed that my mental state was calm and at peace.
Also my patience and tolerance had improved.
 _/|\_ 
 

Thank you for responding.  Regardless of dosage, set or setting...  I feel that the five stages are most pertinent and exist as a kind of psycho-spiritual template.  Naturally, stages #1. and #5. are only present in mindful, psychonautical pilgrims who choose to hone their intention prior to transcendence and a willingness to ground the divine epiphanies and direct attention to integration and steady buoyancy within the fabric of ordinary consensus reality.   
#46
General Discussion / Re: Five Key Stages of The 5-M...
Last post by Frog - December 17, 2023, 10:20:47 AM
Hello to all!

I guest that those 5 stages are dose dependant,and that they portrait a full experience.

''Yet, are we returned the same as before the intrepid voyage was initiated?  Hardly. ''

I think that we return at least a bit different with a shallow experience and a lot with a deep one.

The days following my initiation ,i noticed that my mental state was calm and at peace.
Also my patience and tolerance had improved.
 _/|\_ 
 
#47
5-MeO-DMT Experiences and Testimonials / Cosmic ecstasy, first taste of...
Last post by Frog - December 15, 2023, 01:59:39 PM
Hello friends !

This was my first taste of 5MeO-DMT

On the 13th of December, I went to an appointment with a facilitator, for my first 5MeO-DMT ceremony .
He was recommended to me by  ''ToadSchool'', following an email.
He accompanied more than 40 people aged 18 to 77.

We arrived around 10:45 a.m. He greeted us with a hug.
Introduction for each one of us.
A discussion with the facilitator about my experiences with psychedelics , my health, my intentions, my state of mind.
Then I signed a medical document and a release of liability.
This medicine is taken voluntarily with knowledge of the possible consequences.

He lit some sage and we took turns purifying our body and mind of negative elements.
Then he shuffled 2 sets of cards. One tarot and I forgot the other one.
We each draw 2 cards and read the meaning. I won't go into detail but rather say that I drew Ares, the god of war.
He interpreted this as suggesting to ask Ares for strength if a difficult time came.

He will be offering 3 successive doses of 2 mg, then between 4 and 6 mg and finally between 8 and 12 mg.
He takes the water pipe and gives a dry demonstration of how the administration will unfold.

I sat on my cusshion ,meditating for 15minutes.

Most of the time i was lying on my back with my eyes closed.
The facilitator offered me a blindfold but i declined, maybe next time.

He then weigh 2mg and comes back with the pipe.

1) 2mg, duration 5 minutes.
 I take 3 deep breaths and on the last exhalation he lights the straw and presents me the pipe. I deeply inhale all the smoke then I lie down on my back and Sergio counts 10-9-8-7....  The effect did not come immediately, a few seconds then i fell it. I saw circles of light spinning like fireflies and I also perceived sparks. No colors just light. No visuals, no breathing wall. No hallucinations. However counter intuitive it may sound,  that first dose was a little chalenging, due to the surprise , not really knowing how to deal with the medicine. Some difficulty adjusting to the effect. I guest i had some resistance at first. With the following doses there was no resistance and i was able to let go.

2) 5mg, duration 10 min.
Same scenario for the administration.
When my head hits the pillow, if I remember correctly, there was also an episode of light at the beginning, but when I started to move, the movements dominated this 2nd dose.
I was dealing with muscle contractions. I was shaking all over, from head to toe like a puppet
I accepted the situation and let myself be stirred for the duration of the effect.
Towards the end I said, smiling, "When is this going to end?", then I kept shaking.       
I have never experienced anything like this .

3) 10mg, duration 20 min
After the second dose, which could be described as a release of tension, I take the last dose of 10 mg.

My mind was calm with no anticipation.
As my head touched the pillow , my eyes were slighly open and I looked for a second at the facilitator
and then the room was engulfed in a white light and dissapeared.
AS i closed my eyes, there was an explosion of light and a rapid expansion towards the cosmos!
Blast off.

A powerful and irresistible energy, in which I agree to let myself be carried away, overwhelmed.
I did not offer resistance. Anyway, is it possible to resist this tsunami?
I was only aware of my breathing.

It was a moment of bliss that I could also describe as ecstasy, euphoria or cosmic orgasm!
Letting go was liberating and the immersion in this powerful light extended into the cosmos.
I felt that I was that light.
No thoughts, no fear, no memory, nothing, just ecstasy!
With each exhalation I heard myself say Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
of wonder, of astonishment at the beauty of that revelation.

How can i describe this light, this space? I still wonder.

I was not afraid of dying, nor felt that I was dead. There were no concept of god either. This light was benevolent .
Frankly I don't feel that I've experienced an ego dissolution.  Or could this happen without pain ?                                                               

At the end of the ceremony, I had the impression of having lived a cosmic trip, and it was the most intense, special, astonishing, beneficial and liberating experience of my life.
I have never experienced anything like this.

Towards the end of the 3rd dose, I still had some muscle contractions.

I did gassho spontaneously, 3-4 times, in gratitude for having had the privilege of experiencing this moment.
I gave the facilitator a big hug and thanked him warmly for his support and his empathetic, attentive and warm presence.
I asked my wife how long the 3rd dose lasted and she answered only 20 minutes.           
It seemed much longer...!     
We left around 3:00. All in all it took around 4 hours.                                 
My mental state in the afternoon was calm and at peace, just like the next day.

3 different doses with very different effects.

I feel that the facilitator was carefull. A higher dose would have been even more explosive,
perhaps too much for a first time.
I could hardly have had this experience alone, without support and I think
that there is much more to 5Meo-DMT than what I have experienced.
I feel that I have just dipped my toes in that ocean .                                                                             

 Gratitude !  _/|\_

Question:  What did I experienced?
Thanks friends!!! 
#48
Introductions/Newbies / Hello everyone
Last post by Frog - December 05, 2023, 10:13:39 AM
I am interested in spirituality and psychedelics .Zen meditation for some 17 years with traditional buddhist sanghas.
Have experienced a bit with sacred mushrooms,lsd,dmt.
Microdose and medium doses.I believe in the power of psychedelics.
As for 5MeO-DMT, it seem to be the perfect molecule for a spiritual quest.
I am here to learn . Thanks. _/|\_
#50
General Discussion / Five Key Stages of The 5-MeO-D...
Last post by Rising Spirit - November 14, 2023, 02:29:15 PM
Greetings all, I'd really like to begin a qualitative discussion about what might be considered the five key stages of the 5-MeO-DMT experience.  Obviously, one could feasibly imagine hundreds if not thousands of stages of consciousness, with an interphase with a molecule of this force, majesty and immensity.  But I humbly believe that much of these nearly infinite, possibilities in cognitive awareness can be universally encapsulated into a reasonable, finite number and besides...  I honestly couldn't resist the numeric reference to the 5 medicine.  Everyone would likely reason them to their own preferences and name them accordingly. I humbly feel that these are the 5 primary stages that occur to the 5 pilgrim:

#1. Anointment through Ceremony.  #2. Surrender & Absorption.  #3. Union & Attunement with Source.  #4. Re-crystallization & Rebirth.  #5. Healing & Integration.

Arguably, this is a gross simplification and could certainly be expanded further.  And please, I welcome any and all comments or contributions to this discussion, as ideally it is a conversation.  One with input from other psychonautical travelers within this family.  Feel free to share your ideas.   

While it only seems to have relevance on this side of the looking glass, where one can interpret reality subjectively, there exists a profound degree of what I call, "the remembrance" by all who boldly journey with the 5 sacrament. Perhaps we could view the 5-MeO experience as a perceptual voyage beyond the membrane dividing the inside and the outside, the substantial and the insubstantial, the cause and the personal effect of being both the source and the reflection of what I personally label as, The Divine.  That eternal no-thingness pulsing within all that becomes something.  More so, it is my belief, in the hindsight of my 12 experiences with this medicine, paradox is present both during the culmination and the re-entry phase of the trip. 

Said paradox creates a most unusual and unique experiential pendulum of sorts, as when the individual soul enters the realm of the nondual, boundaryless expanse of undifferentiated, blinding white light energy, all personal thought ceases to exist.   There is an alignment that happens. I  label this as, "the eclipsing" for as a massive force of expanssive energy rushes through us, temporarily shattering our unique cocoons of self mesmerism, all individuation effectively dissipates.  This then, in effect, blocks out our experience of being a separate part, independent of the whole totality of life.  Our mortal vantage point is temporarily obliterated, totally frozen and unreachable...  or is it merely suspended? 

Now regardless of this self-stasis, there is maintained on one level or another, an epicentrical core presence.  I theorize that this absolute Source energy,  weaves a cosmic tapestry, spontaneously fueling the dichotomy of manifested being and the sheerest void of non-being.  And is wholly indivisible, ineffible, unquantifiable and the sum total of the mysterious Omniverse, just doing it's thing. Dissolving into a such a vortexial fulcrum consumes all of our personal reference points and even the palpable identification with our very own sense of self.  Empty, unmoving silence sits quietly, deep within the ringing vibration of each birthing human soul bird, who reaches out fearlessly, uttering voice and taking spiritual flight within the neon effulgence...  the supreme light of all lights.  Much as the proverbial, "moth to the flame".

So, in light of these paradoxical fluctuations in subjectification, each of us recrystallizes right back into finite, three dimensional existence. Yet, are we returned the same as before the intrepid voyage was initiated?  Hardly.  Much reflection and integration are required to find balance and proper buoyancy within consensus reality and the delicate interplay between oneself and others.  I have myself, felt a far stronger bond with all living things.  It's certainly a rebirthing process, which can be both a blessing and sometimes a curse.  How so?  I can only testify as to my own 12 journeys, but within the timeless, directionless vacuum of the peak moments, an almost indescribable bliss is present and an awareness of love as a unitive field.  Coming down from such heights can be most daunting.  Even heartbreaking, in some not so subtle ways. 

Who is it that knows such euphoric ecstasy?  Again, the ultimate paradox presents itself loud and clear.  Without awareness of an ego, self referencing or even self orientation...  who/what/where is it that resides in such resplendent freedom, radiating an absolutely undiluted state of universality? Naturally, out of this formless Omniscience, pours myriad streams of life, sacred geometries and an infinite potential of substantiation, creation and eventual dissolution.

Might we exchange thoughts about this kind blowing and transformative sacred medicine and it's profound impact in our lives?  Many thanks! 
Aho, Namaste and Namaskar.    _/|\_  _/|\_