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While I agree 100% this looks awful for the church, and it's hard to imagine not labeling it as proven bunk after the lab tests and church back-peddling, I do have to add myself amongst the group that believes the experience is different from regular mushrooms. To me it was like three times more potent by weight and it did have a quality that's reminiscent of 5-MeO-DMT.

It's interesting that myself and a number of others are reporting similarly. If it is somehow legit, I wonder how seemingly so much contradicting evidence exists. Though in my case, it's not really relevant anyway because I found 5-MeO-DMT to be superior and would always pick it when given a choice. Just my two cents on the matter.

I do believe the placebo is very strong. And honestly after doing 5-MeO-DMT, I don't think you are an unbias opinion. For me even regular shrooms after 5-MeO-DMT give me full on 5meo reactivations. Extremely strong. I would think it could same to others, especially if they believe they are going into a shrooms + 5meodmt experience.

Am eager to see analytical results as well.
Interesting that Martin Ball appears to be completely sold on it...

I will have analytics on a different batch too shortly. Will keep you updated

Any updates on this famine?

It was rubbish. Just plain shrooms

All good to vaporise

Am eager to see analytical results as well.
Interesting that Martin Ball appears to be completely sold on it...

I will have analytics on a different batch too shortly. Will keep you updated

If you have to ask, don't do it. Chemistry is no joke

I have attached to this post, a friend who sent the powder to a lab. This should be enough to STAY AWAY FROM THE CHURCH. They are a group of chartalans.


I personally talked to their chemists, they do not know chemistry, they are amateurs who are following recipes. They do not know basics of analytics and just say bullshit claims like 4ho5meodmt decomposes during analysis.. such a joke.


All anecdotal reports cannot be taken seriously. Even taking 5meodmt before changed shrooms for me completely. I can get full on 5meodmt experiences on them. Let alone if I believe it will give me that.

Do not trust the Church. A bunch of criminals with false promises. GCMS and other analytical techniques DO NOT DECOMPOSE 4ho5meodmt. All analysis at the moment show no 4ho5meodmt present in their shrooms. A lot of mycologists tried do this years ago and failed. Only base tryptamines were successful.


If they can send a sample that shows 4ho5meodmt in the analysis. Only then believe them.

I really recommend not to wear nitrile or any gloves while dealing with DCM... DCM goes straight through them and therefore has longer contact. I think this route is very complex for no reason... maybe just nice to use glassware Anyways I recommend just dissolve all your 5meodmt in MeOH, adjust ph to 12 with NaOH or Na2CO3, distill MeOH out and recrystallise what's left over with boiling hexane or heptane. You will get beautiful crystals at easily 90%+ yield

Very late reply but will be useful information for others.


You can check if it's freebase or salt by dissolving some in water. If it dissolves, it's salt. Otherwise it's freebase.
I wouldn't recommend smoking salts, it's not so healthy. Smoking hcl 
To convert you can dissolve your salt into water, add a base with pka of 10 or higher such as sodium hydroxide. Then filter 

I find if you do an effective dose of 5meodmt, it overpowers dmt fully. I don't see a point in any 5meodmt combinations. At this level more is less.

Hello I'm new I have a lot of experience in nndmt. Over 60 breakthroughs and even one iv experience. Tomorrow might be my first time with 5meodmt. It is quite intimidating to me as I know its much much stronger than nndmt.
What I'm worried about is the vomiting? I don't have a tripsitter and that could be problematic if I'm out of my physical self. Also do you recommend going higher first and tapering down to find your "release dose"? Or starting abit lower to get the feel of the chemical.