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One source of the discrepancy could be this paper: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.670.7643&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Yes, that's an interesting paper I haven't seen before.

I was referring to phalaris though, as it seems people are unable to come anywhere close to theoretical yields of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT even with all the research into the optimal harvesting conditions, and the availability of a selection of promising clones.

I agree, the info on Virola is quite varied, with no clear information of viable extraction methods for isolating 5-MeO-DMT that have been repeatedly successful. (If you know of any that have been posted anywhere, do let me know--I have done quite a bit of searching!) And the problem of other alkaloids being present is another barrier.

I may very well have messed up the math there. But either way, as you said, no such yield has actually been achieved (to our knowledge). 

Not very much unfortunately. I wonder what the source of the concentration discrepancy is?

*note the comment on plant salts in the crystals..yall gunna see that if you work with these plants. Dont underestimate the goo. Sometimes the crystal is not the stuff and rather just contam in your tryptamine goo. DMT is polymorphic..on top of the issue of oxides.

How is polymorphism a relevant issue for the goo (which isn't crystalline)?

Journal articles are prohibitively expensive to browse (beyond abstracts) except for those with institutional access.

Free access to a massive number of pirated journal articles is easily available on a variety of websites. I would personally recommend Sci-Hub currently, which is on the clearnet and searches the LibGen repository, and if not found, then their institutional accounts. The domain of the active mirrors changes as they play wack-a-mole with authorities, just search for which domains are currently active (even Wikipedia lists them).

Access to primary literature rather than summaries of summaries can be highly preferable in some cases.

I hope this is helpful to those not familiar.

Virola Calophyla has high quantities of n,n-dmt, but as far as Virola Theiodora goes, the majority of alkaloid concentration is of 5-meo-dmt, with only very minimal amounts of n,n-dmt.

From what I've read, it can be quite variable (e.g. Agurell et al. 1969: http://actachemscand.org/pdf/acta_vol_23_p0903-0916.pdf), and DMT is more abundant in some analyses of bark. Analyses of V. Elongata summarised in Holmstedt et al. (1980) (which is now synonymous with V. Theiodora now https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxonomydetail.aspx?id=401402) are also quite variable, with MMT and DMT dominant in a bark analysis and 5-MeO trace. There are significant amounts of carbolines in it also, hence reports of oral activity, which some people might not prefer with 5-MeO-DMT.

Still a good source though.

With a concentration of 0.0025% to 0.045% wet weight, it seems that 2kg would at most yield 90mg. The fact that it was difficult to get crystals speaks to the potential problem we would have of isolating the target compound. That would perhaps be one of the biggest challenges in the plant extraction world of 5-MeO-DMT.

I might be confused, but I think you meant 0.045% of 2kg = 900mg. Not that such a yield has actually been achieved.

Hello,

I'm interested in this focused community, and was drawn in by the re-posting of phalaris extraction information that was restricted on other sites (which do not allow new members). I hope this community helps realize the promise of this compound.

Cheers.