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5-MeO-DMT and The Clear Light of The Void

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Rising Spirit:
Hello people.

I just joined tonight and wanted some positive feedback about the tremendous potential for this Sacred molecule to facilitate a portal of sorts, a self-shattering transcendence of one's ordinary identity, in preference of the limitlessness of our interphase with the blinding light of the ineffable, sheer emptiness of the eternal void.  Formless, yet, Supreme. 

While I have yet to experience this Sacred molecule, I am eager to learn, to explore and to grow as a soul.  Most of my journeys have been with LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, Salvia Divinorum and most significantly, NN-DMT.  I await the grace of a new teacher.   8)

Namaste and Namaskar to each and all of you, RS

Flux:
Hi Rising spirit and welcome,

The 5-MeO experience is indeed the ultimate transcendence of our normal waking state and the individuated mode-of-being.
 
I do believe that such a level of unitary consciousness can be reached, or at the very least glimpsed with the other medicines such as the ones you mention, usually at the peak state of very large doses. I hope these previous experiences serve you well and that you glean some useful knowledge in preparation for meeting the God Molecule.

blessings :),

Flux

Rising Spirit:
Thank you, Flux.

Yes, high doses of LSD-25 and psilocybin have lifted my conscious-awareness to the exalted state of a complete whiteout experience, what Indian yogis refer to as, Savikalpa Samadhi.  When we exercise our attention and shift our focus to the higher realms, most of the primary psychedelics can and do facilitate the transcendental journey beyond material reality.  The blissful peak I ascend to on NN-DMT is the same single point and formless saturation within the Clear Light and Infinite Grid...  but much quicker and occurs far more abruptly.  I understand that 5-MeO-DMT is even more so?  A friend of mine refers to this appex and direct interphase, within this plane of high-frequency being, as entering into, "The White Room". 

Is said interphase within the Light of Lights common with this molecule?  And do most people here believe that the nickname, "The God Molecule" is appropriate?  A lot of folks at the Nexus are hardcore atheists and challenge any notion of NN-DMT being a portal to the Spirit/God-self. Is 5-MeO more apt to lead to deeper, more religious states of perception?  Or is it like any other psychedelic, which is always relative to the traveler?   Please share some of your most mind-shattering experiences, folks.  Thanx!!!

RS

Flux:

--- Quote ---Is said interphase within the Light of Lights common with this molecule?  And do most people here believe that the nickname, "The God Molecule" is appropriate?  A lot of folks at the Nexus are hardcore atheists and challenge any notion of NN-DMT being a portal to the Spirit/God-self. Is 5-MeO more apt to lead to deeper, more religious states of perception?  Or is it like any other psychedelic, which is always relative to the traveler? 
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All very pertinent questions and most welcome in stimulating the dialogue here. For me, the 'light' is quite paradoxical, in that it is simultaneously dark though nonetheless all pervasive, while occasionally it may emanate from a tunnel (as in traditional depictions of white light experiences - or that of the n-n-dmt topography) for me 5-MeO seems to be more of an all encompassing and subsuming, enveloping light.

As one inculcated by religious education as a child and long since freed of this cognitive shackle, I too find the term 'god' problematic in its connotation, but this is in part a semantic issue. Beyond the orthodox claims of exclusivity to 'God', as a linguistic construct it seems clear that across human cultures we are referring to the same thing. However, rather than 'a creator or ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority' , the god encountered in 5-MeO space seems to be more aligned with Eastern traditional concepts of 'Godhead', Brahman or Paramatman as glimpsed through the Atman, thus the 5-MeO space resonates with such states as samadhi, nirvana, moksha, etc.

If 5-MeO is more apt to lead to deeper, more religious states of perception, this may well be be as you suggest, relative and subjective. However, given the experience invoked by this molecule - of complete unification of mind, body, spirit, consciousness, time, space, sound and all other perceptual modes of existence, a spiritual/religious interpretation is likely. Further, unlike other entheogens which have a 'build up' to such peak states, 5-MeO's abrupt plunging into complete transcendence of 'self' and utter dissolution of subject/object positions, could make such a numinous experience more conducive to a religious/spiritual ontology and thus a more helpful framework with which to conceptualise and articulate such utter ineffability . 
 

Rising Spirit:

--- Quote from: Flux ---All very pertinent questions and most welcome in stimulating the dialogue here. For me, the 'light' is quite paradoxical, in that it is simultaneously dark though nonetheless all pervasive, while occasionally it may emanate from a tunnel (as in traditional depictions of white light experiences - or that of the n-n-dmt topography) for me 5-MeO seems to be more of an all encompassing and subsuming, enveloping light.
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I thought I'd reply to this while my ears are still ringing.  Does 5-MeO-DMT characteristically bring one's attention to the carrier wave sound?  I've been oscillating in endless echoes of this tonal pulsation, for a few hours now. 

I just returned from a series of very deep experiences initiated by NN-DMT changa infused with haramalas, onto blue lotus flowers.  As per usual, I witnessed the rapid rise in conscious-awareness and the kaleidoscopic visuals which so often accompany the molecule. 

I did interphase with the chrysanthemum, blooming grid patterning and further, fuse within the expanse of the limitlessness of the unified field.  In the blinding effulgence, separation from the inside and outside vanished.  Observer and observed coalesce into a wholly singular phenomenon.  And as you so eloquently stated, there is an emptiness and undifferentiated quality to the all-pervasiveness of the clear light of the void. So, your words are so pertinent, "


--- Quote from: Flux ---As one inculcated by religious education as a child and long since freed of this cognitive shackle, I too find the term 'god' problematic in its connotation, but this is merely a semantic issue and beyond the orthodox claims of exclusivity to 'God' as a linguistic construct it seems clear that across human cultures we are referring to the same thing. However, rather than 'a creator or ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority' , the god encountered in 5-MeO space seems to be more aligned with Eastern traditions of 'Godhead', Brahman or Paramatman as glimpsed through the Atman and the 5-MeO space resonates with  such states as samadhi, nirvana, moksha, etc...
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Brilliant.  I too, hold such a holistic view, along the lines of the Yogic sciences, Tantra, Taoism and Zen. There always exists a symbiotic balance to this paradigm we all share and co-dream together.


--- Quote from: Flux ---]If 5-MeO is more apt to lead to deeper, more religious states of perception, this may well be be as you suggest, relative and subjective. However, given the experience invoked by this molecule - of complete unification of mind, body, spirit, consciousness, time, space, sound and all other perceptual modes of existence, a spiritual/religious interpretation is likely. Further, unlike other entheogens which have a 'build up' to such peak states, 5-MeO's abrupt plunging into complete transcendence of 'self' and utter dissolution of subject/object positions, could make such a numinous experience more conducive to a religious/spiritual ontology and thus a more helpful framework with which to conceptualise and articulate such utter ineffability .
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Beautifully described!  Deep bow and I feel so much affinity, dear fellow traveler.  I have a resolute and abiding faith that when the time is right, the Sacred Medicine appears.  I sincerely hope the anointment of the cosmic toad venom finds me and destroys/heals me, one of these fine days.  Until then, I listen and wish to learn more.  Thanx for the wise insight that you so kindly shared, Flux  Above all else, this jewel sparkles brightest, "5-MeO's abrupt plunging into complete transcendence of 'self' and utter dissolution of subject/object positions, could make such a numinous experience more conducive to a religious/spiritual ontology and thus a more helpful framework with which to conceptualise and articulate such utter ineffability."

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