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Introductions/Newbies / Welcome!
July 25, 2022, 06:53:13 PM
Welcome to all new members!

We may not have the most frequent or timely responses, but this forum is alive and well.

It is a repository of information and knowledge that may be helpful in your exploration and in your experiences with 5-MeO-DMT. Please don't be discouraged if your intro post isn't responded to. They are all read by myself and other members, and your posts in the other sections of the forum will get responses.

Wishing you all the best and grateful that you are here with us!
This has already been stated in the terms of agreement for using the forum but we have recently had a few people joining and offering to sell drugs. This is a harm reduction forum and is NOT for the sale, transfer, or acquisition of illegal substances or services. Any such activities will result in an instant ban from the forums.
I'm going to move this to the Preparation and Integration section of the forum, as that's where we talk about integration issues and post-experience effects.

This topic has been moved to Preparation and Integration.
As reactivations are an issue that has come up frequently, I thought I would create a large thread that can be one place for reactivation discussions to take place.

Here are some snippets of info that we have around the forums thus far regarding reactivations:
Thread with good integration advice and thoughts on things one can do when experiencing reactivations:
Quote from: knulp on July 04, 2018, 09:00:15 AM
Thanks @HumbleVoyger. I may look into somatic experiencing later down the line, but yes, yoga and particularly more rigorous physical exercise has been very beneficial in helping me to integrate/ground into my body. Things seem to be normalizing more and more, but I noted the same thing one week ago and then had another sleepless night... But ultimately it's only when going to sleep that I'm having intimations of reactivations, and mostly minor ones, relative to the prior weeks (aside from last week's sleepless night just mentioned). Mostly it's lots of intensely psychedelic activity behind closed eyes as I try to fall asleep.

I saw this posted in another integration thread by @Flux, and I think it sums up my feelings very well on things at the moment:

"Often one of the overlooked aspects of integration is the everyday mundane tasks...washing up, showering, sitting in the sun, walking to the shops, etc. people rush to embrace other spiritual modalities like Vipassana meditation, Kundalini yoga, Wim Hof breathing, etc...when what is most needed is not to facilitate any further 'awakening' but to anchor the one that 5-MeO has catalysed"

Thread with some information about reactivations and how they may occur
Quote from: HumbleVoyager on April 16, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
It appears that reactivations are most common when large doses of 5-MeO-DMT are consumed, shocking the system and creating a traumatic response that is later triggered in the form of a "reactivation". To avoid this potentially difficult aspect of integration, using the lowest effective dose when vaporizing or using a lowest effective dose with a  route of administration that has a slower onset (such as insufflation) might be preferable. Reactivations seem to occur when people are falling asleep or engaged in meditative practices so it may be unlikely for a reactivation to happen during a presentation.

That being said, I think following those guidelines may help in preventing unwanted effects after the experience.

A thread tracking someone's experience as they worked through reactivations with suggestions
Quote from: Flux on May 06, 2018, 02:36:15 AM
Hi there mrnothing -
it seems that physical activity helps greatly with reactivations, grounding especially but being in nature, swimming, running and yes, yoga. In terms of the blank canvas effect, this is not uncommon and can occur with other psychedelics too. What I would suggest is start trying new things in order to build up new connections to meaningful actions... learn an instrument, learn a language, try painting or drawing, or anything creative, volunteer something that could use your help... the sense of being in service is really valuable.
all the best,

Great thread on "Kundalini" type energetic activations and ideas for resourcing

Anyways that should be good to start off. Feel free to comment on any of the above topics or quotes or simply start sharing your own experiences. Hopefully this thread will be a good place for people to talk about reactivations and get help in working through issues of their own!

Introductions/Newbies / MOVED: Intro
April 24, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
General Discussion / Server Updates
April 24, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Thanks to donations from our wonderful members, there have been significant security and server upgrades made to the 5 Hive. Pages should now be loading 500% faster than they were before, we have a new stronger encryption system, and have set up a firewall to prevent DDoS and MITM attacks.

Thank you again! Hopefully if we continue to get funds, we will be able to hire a designer to redo the layout of the site to make it easier to use and more easy to access on mobile devices.

Cheers!  <3 _/|\_ <3
For those who had issues accessing the site in the last two days, please know that it was a temporary lapse in SSL certificate validation and I was not able to renew the certificates until today. Thank you for understanding and let us continue the discussions!

Here's the link for an open letter containing detailed evidence of malpractice from both Octavio Rettig and Gerry Sandoval. I encourage everyone to read and consider signing this document.
General Discussion / Forum Funding
January 20, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
The forum has been running for two years now!

However, that also means that server license renewal is due. If possible, please consider contributing funds to keeping the server running. It costs $200 every two years and has been entirely funded out of my own pocket. Anything you can contribute helps, thank you.

All the best,
This topic has been moved to 5-MeO-DMT Experiences and Testimonials because it is a trip report with synthetic 5-MeO-DMT.
General Discussion / “Like” function
June 26, 2018, 06:47:08 AM
The "Like" function is now available to all! Enjoy :)
General Discussion / *Website Issues*
January 20, 2018, 10:51:35 AM
We are currently having some technical difficulties with file uploads. Please bear with us as we get these problems resolved. I will update this thread as soon as the issue is fixed. Thank you for your patience.
Ethics and Ecology / Poor Ethical Standards Videos
November 30, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
Use this thread to post and discuss unethical practices, such as electronic shock devices.

Electric shock happens at 16:16, but there are other unethical practices exhibited in this video such as pouring water down the participant's throat and blowing rapé up his nose earlier in the video.
This is a deleted scene from the recent toad documentary on Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia which features interviews from tribe members talking about the true purpose/meaning of toads in their rituals.

Copying and reposting this from the desk of herpetologist Robert Anthony Villa addressing his concerns on the Sonoran desert toad:
Quote"I worked as a consultant and fixer on the episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopeia that features Dr. Sandoval. There are a few issues that have come up since the airing of the piece. I will attempt to address them. It is part of a written piece I'm working on as a response to elucidate more details about the ethnoherpetology of Bufo alvarius.

The discovery of 5meoDMT in Bufo alvarius:
Bufo alvarius is the only animal known to produce 5meoDMT, one of the most powerful hallucinogens available to humans. If ancient American cultures utilized B. alvarius as a hallucinogen, there is no orally preserved tradition to indicate so. Papers treating this question are speculative and inconclusive. Such a significant compound as 5meoDMT is unlikely to have been forgotten following European contact. The depiction of frogs and toads (anurans) in ancient American material is for their significance as beings that dually inhabited the realms of land and water, underwent a remarkable metamorphosis, and were harbingers of live-giving seasonal rain. Toad remains associated with shamanic burial are identified as B. marinus.

The documentary claims that "Albert Most" sensu stricto is the first person to have accessed the 5meoDMT in the skin of B. alvarius for psychedelic purposes as a result of self-experimentation informed by the traditional knowledge of indigenous peoples. He states having smoked the skin secretions of other toad species before that of B. alvarius. However his 1983 pamphlet cites the discovery of 5meoDMT in B. alvarius in the 1960s.

Contemporary Use of 5meoDMT from Bufo alvarius:
The psychedelic use of B. alvarius travelled to Mexico where it was eventually introduced to indigenous cultures such as the Comca'ac (Seri) and Yaqui by shamanic practicioners. It is natural for cultures to appropriate novel advents from others and the "modern world".

The Comca'ac and Yaqui doctors have adopted the 5meoDMT of B. alvarius as a powerful and highly respected medicinal tool treating serious depression, psychological traumas, and most notably, addiction to methamphetamines and opiates.

However some of the shamanic practitioners have over stated this advent at best, and exploited indigenous cultures at worst, in order to inflate their following and bank accounts. I found it ironic in the documentary that after lamenting the death of B. alvarius on roads, Dr. Sandoval proceeded to express the sacred medicine from the glands of a run-over toad onto the road.

Toad Plight:
Bufo alvarius has been in the pet trade (illegally) for some time. However since the Vice video piece on Octavio Rettig, the demand for B. alvarius had gone up enough that in 2014 I was invited along with a friend to workshop with Yaqui psychologists in Sonora interested in its medicinal properties. They are concerned since toads are becoming notably diminished in areas due to heavy poaching. There is currently an illicit bounty on B. alvarius in Sonora.

Bufo alvarius may live to be well over 15 years old. The largest individuals are responsible for recruiting the greatest numbers of eggs and young into the ecosystem. The largest individuals are also the first to be detected by poachers. While smaller toads are able to reproduce, they aren't able to fully sustain populations with their smaller output of eggs. This toad does not usually fare well in captivity because they are usually in the hands of novice keepers; they have strong homing instinct; and tricky seasonal water balance requirements (dry season aestivation).

Besides poaching, B. alvarius and other wildlife face a multitude of other threats such as disease, climate change, pollution, and displacement by humans in a variety of ways. If synthetic 5meoDMT is just as effective, it should be substituted for that derived from B. alvarius. Stress and poaching of the toads can be mitigated by collecting their secretions in the close vicinity where they are found. That is, within their individual territories. But there should be no good reason to remove this toad from the natural habitat its been inhabiting for the last millions of years."