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Introductions/Newbies / Re: New born
« on: February 15, 2023, 10:08:05 PM »
Wow... so simple. So profound and so very beautiful. Welcome home, friend.


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The things which have struck me in my repeated dissolutions into this unity are: the undeniable fact that that unity is truly real, and this dreamscape of duality is like a child's game of make believe - nothing is at stake and nothing can possibly be wrong. It is always clear from "there" that this is true and that it doesn't matter a whit if "I" remember that or believe it from here. And yet this little self persists in having preferences and even worries. So odd. Another thing which I never tire of is the blessed, glorious release from this cramped, tiny, trivial prison of self.
Some say it is like dying - I have not died so I don't know, but being free of this hovel (as nondual teacher Francis Lucille has called it) is the greatest relief it is possible to have. This small and fussy self is not a real thing, it's a pattern of constriction imposed on the eternal infinite One. And the experience of freedom from that pattern is quite difficult to remember clearly once re-imprisoned in the hovel. Another message which is abundantly and emphatically conveyed to this self each time it reconstitutes itself out of the shining nondual Source is that this experience is not "mine". What I take to be "me" when not in unity with Source, is made of That (being as there is in reality nothing other than That), but the me is not God.
The humility and reverence that overflows in me as I return from this communion with the All is profound, and I cringe when I sometimes see the experience mistranslated (IMO) as "I am God". All there is, is God, and yet this tiny self is not even a thing, and can no more contain or own the experience of the Divine Source of All, than a goldfish could contain the Pacific Ocean.5-MeO-DMT is the profoundest sacrament. I am in eternal gratitude.
This is a very old post, being nearly 4 years old. Yet I feel it’s absolutely crucial and still vitally relevant. Qdos to the poster, I hope we can get some answers.
So why is it that often awakening through psychedelics (and other means), can so often lead to a super inflated ego? It happens time and time again - people with incredible levels of insight & awakening develop the most obnoxious egos. Why is that?
I share this experience to say that it is possible to go very far with 5 meo dmt. I believe that it is an experience made for people who want to go to the de las of what we can propose currently, I believe that people who lose consciousness at high doses do not have the strength to manage psychically or physically the experience. There is a clash between the conscious and the unconscious that takes place, even if I prepared myself mentally to die for a long time, living it was still an ordeal, you have to know that I already lived a near death experience in my childhood and that it is for this reason that I wanted to consume 5 meo dmt to understand what I lived in the past.
To live the imminent death in this way is really an incredible experience, the time was at the same time all and nothing, it is difficult for me to explain with words, I saw myself in a cosmic whole, I saw my place in the universe, that removed an enormous weight from me, the experience really helped me to free myself from a fear, that to die. Before, I was just struggling. That's all I can say about the phenomena I experienced.
I was in a state of shock, like a second birth but awake, brutal, unexpected and calculated, it is as if the destiny had imposed me to live this, I had a realization on the nature of myself. The place that I chose was very important to support me during this moment, I believe that deep inside I was prepared to live this since always, I feel really well, better than well, I realized that I had the power to manage this, I believe that the most important is not finished, after 12 hours I still feel the effects.
Great to hear from you Rising Spirit! We likely have had similar trajectories on these issues: I first learned TM in 1972.
My practice is a "no-practice" in the sense that "I" attempt only to see ever more clearly that in actual experience there is "not two" (i.e., not a subject and object; not a "me" and everything else). It's a tough game, lol. I have had 3 very distinctive "kensho" experiences in this (one of which was in 1973, after doing TM for about a year). I'd like to see if 5 can help me push the envelope a bit -- even though I know through direct experience that there is no "me" and there's nothing to "push."
I also have some ambivalence regarding experiences from others regarding entheogens. Many have clearly seen what's to be seen over and over again -- yet most I've heard from seem to have ended up being "tourists" rather than "Buddhas." Apparently, just seeing it is not enough. I'm hoping that I've laid a groundwork over fifty years such that "seeing it" will be a broader experience than it has seemed to be for others using enthoegens....
To offer a slightly different opinion, sometimes more is not better, and it may be valuable to take some time to allow your system to regulate after an experience like that. Feel free to PM if you would like to discuss further or if you would like resources to support you.
Thanks for sharing your experience and being here with us!
If you take a psychedelic and you're not afraid that you did too much, you didn't do enough."