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Anyone else have 5-MeO-DMT related injuries?

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Rising Spirit:

--- Quote from: JO_neness ---Thank you for responding.


By many many uses, I mean about 100 over the course of one year. Synthetic 5-MeO-DMT, 20 mg smoked. At one point I was doing this 3 times a in a session, following the method of Martin Ball (I don't recommend him obviously)
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So you are saying that you've had 100 journeys in one year?  From my perspective, that is way too many times to maintain internal balance and ground the teaching, through integration.  20mg is very, very potent and if some of your 100 journeys were with 3 sessions of 20mg in a single day...  no wonder you are having major health issues.  I have never exceeded 9 mg and I honestly though that taking 9mg might actually kill me.  You've way overloaded your system, my friend and that's an understatement.  My prayer for you is that you believe in your own innate ability to heal your system and find peace of mind. You are not alone.   <3 <3


--- Quote from: Jo-_neness ---It's already been a year and a half since my last psychedelic and I still haven't improved. I'm pretty sure this is lasting brain damage.
You say you can't do permanent damage? In January of last year, I basically spent the whole month not sleeping at all. At the end of it, my skin started loosening and getting older, badly, in a short time. (confirmed by a dermatologist btw) That has not recovered and it isn't going to, it's only got worse in the year since I quit. I'm 24 years of age.

To be honest, I'm not much interested anymore in energy, teachings. That stuff gets real old when you can't have a good nights' sleep for over a year. I just want to lay down and rest. Probably jump off a cliff.

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In all honesty, I keep going back and forth, trying to figure out your situation.  I sometimes think you are a troll who is trying to scare other people from ever trying 5-MeO-DMT.  That being said, I also can take your story at face value and feel tremendous empathy for your suffering.  May I ask you why you imbibed to frequently and in such high doses?  Where you seeking a breakthrough experience that just never happened?  Or were you just trying to remember what you had experienced in full peaking moments? 

Regardless of what I think about your posts on this site, please know that there is no permanent damage done, however doubtful you feel right now.  Of course, I am not saying that all "drugs" cannot leave damage to the body and mind, as that would be rather naive.  Alcohol, heoin and other harsh drugs can be quite destructive.   Even so, every cell in the human body is replaced by a new one, every seven years.  While your subtle nerves are no doubt fried from over indulgence...  you can find healing and balance in due time.  You have done what a lot of LSD users did in the 1960s and 1970s, you have overloaded your neurobiology with way, way too much of the sacrement.  Like Icarus, you have flown too close to the sun and have come crashing down from the sky to a difficult landing. 

Please don't entertain jumping off a cliff or a bridge or any other form of suicide.  Today is a new day and you've a long lifetime tomorrows to live.  The greater the overdose, the greater the need for incremental healing.  I do know that the first steps to lasting healing are those of faith, belief and positive affirmation.  It's time for you to create the space in your mind that can allow for healing and integration.  Please understand that I am sending light to you, even as I type these words.  Ask the universe for a new start and you will be rewarded by the degree that you believe you shall receive it.  As the Buddha wisely stated, "As you think, so you shall become."  Plant the seed of hope and be patient for it to grow. 

Ultimately, only you, yourself, can regain balance and find your way back to a healthy life.  I know I can speak for a good number of the members herein, that you are loved and compassionate prayers are winging their way to you.  Be receptive to changing your attitude.  Any imbalances can be righted and come to true.  Do stay clean of any psychedelics for a few years...   maybe even a decade?  For some souls, never imbibing again is necessary. 

My small advice, for the time being, is to work with your body and eat a good diet.  Take each moment as it comes and forge a new pathway for yourself.  Write a new chapter in the book of your life.  You and you alone, are the author of your own destiny.  Hold your head up, buddy.  Open your heart to a new start, a new dream (one which arises whole and grounded).

May you be reborn anew, friend.   _/|\_ _/|\_

Flux:
Hey JO_neness,


Apologies for any absence of response to this thread - I felt the sudden need to reach out to you and see how you are doing after a few months away.


I hope you have been able to find some relief and respite from the symptoms you were experiencing... and are feeling at least on the path back towards balance of mind/body/spirit and some feeling of 'normality' again.


It would be great to hear that you found some good integration support, counselling or a compassionate and understanding person to talk to about all of this and I would love to hear how you are going; regardless of where you're at and what's going on. If these sensations are still persisting, there are several people that can help, who I would like to recommend to you.


Please do reach out and make contact again either here (or via personal message).


kindest blessings,


Flux

HumbleVoyager:
I second what’s been said in this thread.

5-MeO-DMT is a very powerful opener substance which can cause the nervous system to access things that it’s not ready to process, especially when working with higher doses at high frequency. It seems to me that these symptoms you are describing are very similar to somatic symptoms associated with trauma, which occurs when the nervous system is overwhelmed and lacks the resources to cope with what it is experiencing. I’m glad to hear you’ve gotten in touch with a professional to help work through these symptoms. I find that body-focused activities like yoga, martial arts, or other body-centered sports can help the system regulate better over time. Please do keep us updated on how things progress.

shari:
hi Jo_ness,


I feel you. Although I have very little experience with this substance, only 2 times, I already exceeded my limits the second time when I had an absolute horror trip. I was back to 'normal' when the trip was over. But that night I didn't sleep at all and the day after it seemed like I was experiencing a psychotic episode with un underlying lower intensity of what I experienced during the trip and anxious thoughts of whether I had permanently damaged myself (my brain). I even had to call the ambulance and when I left the hospital I still felt like my perception wasn't ok as if I was drunk but not quite in the same way and somewhat 'stupid' in the sense that my brain wasn't functioning as well.   It's the second day after, I'm still not fully the old me, but I am better.


I was over or underhydrated or both, I'm not sure. Lost a lot of fluid.  They gave me a xanax which helped somewhat with the scary thoughts , but I also noticed my legs tremoring at times and believed I had permanent brain damage.
Since today is better, but still not entirely ok. At least I notice improvement, so I can tell you what I did:


At the hospital, they said my blood test came back normal. However, I thought my brain must have endured damage which they didn't check.


So back at home, I take some supplements which I know are good for your brain and nerves:
omega 3's (good for your brain)
choline (Choline is required to produce acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter that plays an important role in regulating memory, mood and intelligence )

inositol (Major neurotransmitters important for positive mood — serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine — rely on inositol to relay messages.  And neurotransmitters play a major role in most aspects of your life, including mood, productivity, ability to handle stress, ability to learn and remember, sleep, cravings, addictions, and more)
You may want to take higher than usual dosages of inositol, more info here
vitamin B 12 (the methylcobalamine form)  + folic acid:  vitamin B12 plays a vital role for the nervous system.  It is also involved in the synthesis of important messenger substances such as neurotransmitters and hormones that control our brain function, thus our perception, mood and state of mind. )
niacin 500 mg which is known to cause a 'flush' > it can make you look very red and warm for a while because it dilates blood vessels (Niacin is believed to protect brain cells from stress and injury.  Niacin is just another name for vitamin B3 and Vitamin B3 has many different functions in the human body. One of these functions is to increase detoxification and the physiological response to this is known as the niacin flush.)
I also took L-tyrosine, magnesium, vit C and saffron.

Lion's mane is known to protect against dementia, reduce mild symptoms of anxiety and depression and [/color]help repair nerve damage[/color].
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[/color]What I think may have helped most though, is the administration of ozone through my nose and rectally. I have an ozone machine (which you can buy off of ebay or aliexpress, such as here ).  Ozone can kill off toxins, because toxins can not survive in an oxygen rich environment.  Ozone has 3 oxygen molecules. One goes to toxins and kills them and what's left is oxygen.  When you do it by breathing via the tube into your nose, you may not be able to do it for long as it can make you cough severely (hard on the lungs, but not bad in my experience, although some believe it's bad on the lungs but I don't believe that, so please  do your research before attempting it)
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[/color]I wish you a speedy recovery!
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HumbleVoyager:
Hi Shari,

Hopefully this video can be helpful for you: https://relationshipispsychedelic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Returning-from-All_-Integrating-5-MeO-DMT-Experiences-in-Psychotherapy-with-Rafael-Lancelotta.mp4

Cheers,
HV

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