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General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: June 03, 2023, 10:43:07 PM »
Am eager to see analytical results as well.
Interesting that Martin Ball appears to be completely sold on it…

I will have analytics on a different batch too shortly. Will keep you updated

Any updates on this famine?

Introductions/Newbies / Re: One question
« on: June 03, 2023, 10:40:06 PM »
Hi, if a bag of synthetic clear yellow/brownish crystallized meo was contained and wrapped in plastic bags outdoors, possibly affected by condense. Could it turn to a completely brown powder and still be good? Or would it mean that it's wasted?

The brown means that it’s oxidized a bit, so has lost some potency but it may still work.

Introductions/Newbies / Re: how do you keep the lid on this stuff?
« on: June 03, 2023, 10:38:26 PM »
Hopefully it finds you.

In the meantime, I hope that this forum can be a good place to learn more about the experience and how to prepare for it.

Introductions/Newbies / Re: Alive-Alive-Oh
« on: May 03, 2023, 01:09:08 PM »

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 29, 2023, 08:42:10 AM »
I liked the article too, but want to encourage for the sake of discussion that we share not only links to external articles but that we also share excerpts that are meaningful or of particular note. Or giving some summary/context of the link that’s being shared.

For example, I might say the following:

I just read this article that I think covers well the full picture surrounding the Church of Psilomethoxin, especially the way it presents information in a well-organized format and includes interviews with multiple involved parties. In particular, I found it did [insert detail(s) here] well.

[insert link]

Ah, thanks for clarifying!

I imagine this ROA is not as common or popular because many people are (rightfully so) hesitant to inject drugs, and especially when said drug hasn’t been tested and is very potent.

It’s significantly more risky than pretty much every other ROA, besides perhaps the danger of burning one’s self or setting something on fire if vaporizing.

Preparation and Integration / Re: microdosing
« on: April 24, 2023, 05:53:06 PM »
You’re welcome! I hope that’s helpful, though I know it’s not exactly directly answering your question.  <3

To my knowledge, no one has ever had a problem with physical safety during reactivations unless they had a history of self-harm tendencies.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 24, 2023, 05:42:20 PM »
Speaking of Martin Ball!
Here is a new podcast in which he responds to various aspects of the Usona study, among other things.

May be time for bingo…

But in all seriousness, care to summarize some of the main points you found compelling?

What would make the thread more robust?

Preparation and Integration / Re: microdosing
« on: April 23, 2023, 12:04:45 AM »
You may want to review this report:

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 22, 2023, 11:51:35 PM »
Martin Ball should not be trusted as an authority on this subject for many reasons, but one of them being that he was advertising their sacrament.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 21, 2023, 10:52:22 AM »
These are all excellent points ayalight.

It’s especially concerning that a church would argue for not being sure what exactly is in their sacrament, as that opens up all kinds of possibilities for exploitation. It’s a violation of consent to give someone something that is misrepresented. For example, if someone thought they were drinking ayahuasca that contained caapi and chacruna but it also had datura. This takes agency away from the vulnerable person (in this case the one who is receiving the sacrament).

The actual production of the substance itself raises other legal questions given that both psilocybin and 5 Men DMT are illegal. Again to my mind it seems premature to create and promote a church when so many outstanding questions need to be considered and resolved. In my view it’s best to be patient, do research and quietly build a community instead of marketing it to a wide public.

This was my first concern long ago when I first heard about the church. The possession of TWO illegal substances puts everyone at risk and muddies the waters in determining what the sacrament is. If they need to grow psilocybin mushrooms and they need to feed mushroom substrate 5-MeO-DMT, then it requires quite a bit of backend preparation to make the sacrament.

I am all for freedom of religion and spiritual practice but it should be done ethically, with an understanding of power dynamics involved and keeping the best interests of church members in mind.

Introductions/Newbies / Re: Greetings-Introduction
« on: April 15, 2023, 10:23:27 AM »
Welcome Ayalight! Great to have you here.

General Discussion / Re: 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT & The Church of Psilomethoxin
« on: April 15, 2023, 10:20:39 AM »
The church has clearly said in multiple places that their sacrament contains (and is) psilomethoxin, not psilocybin. They are now backpedaling of course but there’s plenty of evidence showing that they were making that claim.

The levels of psilocybin, psilocin, and baeocystin were comparable to those found in typical cubensis mushrooms.

People claiming that the article was “AI Generated” are referring to the mention in the acknowledgements section that ChatGPT helped write the article. However, ChatGPT did not perform any of the analyses, or the relevant science. There are no problems with software helping write a manuscript.

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