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#1
Science / Re: Best natural sources for 5-MeO-DMT
April 28, 2018, 09:57:58 AM
Most plants are still untested, and the focus was on phalaris grasses and virolas etc until everyone got into toads. The Digitaria species of grasses would probly be one place to start for anyone so inclined, due to a small handful of leads. Testing all these plants is a big job that people will do sooner or later.

I also agree that outside of personal botanical interests, synth is the way to go.
#2
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
January 08, 2018, 11:20:34 AM
You can throw together a workable tek with sodium carb. I have pulled mimosa with sodium carb and xylene with success years back. You can def make iso and sodium carb work..but that teks takes a lot of work around and experience with tryptamine extraction so you can intuit whats going on with the oils and waxes etc.


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38641


..Ignore any talk in there of 5meoDMT..I see no evidence 5meoDMT in chaliponga in relevent levels.


...a bit off topic but extraction teks for grasses are on a level above commercial mimosa bark etc..I don't see it ever being something overly popular due both to this the face that grass is just not atm a reliable source. Let's face it..entheogens are expanding (...toad?..) into a global market place where people want BULK. Grasses for most people it will be a short lived passing interest and they will seek out other avenues. There is no secret here..its hard to get usable levels of psychedelic tryptamines from grass. Is it impossible? No.


..and that finding on brachys being so high in alk content has yet to be reproduced. Aquatica grows for me, so for  simply that fact alone I focus on it. It interests me more than brachystachys. Brachys dislikes it here when I grow it even though it's cultivar Phalaris canariensis is found in local micro-climates.

ps..this may be of interest for some...
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=430799&#post430799


*note the comment on plant salts in the crystals..yall gunna see that if you work with these plants. Dont underestimate the goo. Sometimes the crystal is not the stuff and rather just contam in your tryptamine goo. DMT is polymorphic..on top of the issue of oxides.
#3
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
January 01, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
Good luck guru! Please do post back with your results.
#5
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
December 09, 2017, 07:52:34 AM
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/resource.ashx?a=9388

Does that link work? It should bring you to the PDF on Phalaris brachystachys by fourthripley.


Also I think an article acacia/tryptamine researcher nen888 and myself on tryptamines in issue 2 of the nexian might be of interest. I have another article in that issue covering some of my exoerience with wild Phalaris arundinacea, from the PNW coastal region of British Columbia.


http://the-nexian.me/the-nexian/the-nexian-issue-2
#6
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
December 08, 2017, 11:42:45 PM
Hi HumbleVoyager..I have not had time this week to dig up that article online yet..stay tuned


Okay..let's talk about Phalaris aquatica.

Phalaris aquatica is a warmer weather perennial grass, which grows with less vigor than Phalaris arundinacea, and spreads much slower from rhizome divisions. The alkaloid profile of this species appears somewhat more stable however than that of P. arundinacea. A number of strains have been selected as high alkaloid producers, useful as potential sources for entheogenic tryptamines.


My own experience has been with conventional seed grown varieties of P.aquatica as well as the strain known as cv. Australian. Phalaris aquatica cv. australian is a strain that was selected for its high alkaloid profile, dominant in DMT, followed by 5-MeO-DMT(Trout (referencing Mulvena and Slayter, 1983( 2007). For over a year I grew out two pots of this strain from seed. Once established the grass can be repotted and will spread via rhizomes. It is slower than P. arundinacea and seems more sensitive to light and water fluctuations.


In the summer of 2014 an unknown but small amount of fresh clippings were collected and frozen for later extraction. There are theories surrounding the freezing and drying process and alkaloid ratios/levels, however this I cannot yet comment on.


The grass was boiled in 3 times in a solution of water and acetic acid. The resulting liquid was well strained and evaporated, yielding a very impure goo/resin. Calcium hydroxide and a small amount of water was added to the resin, mixed, and the mixture was left to dry. This was powdered and extracted three times with hot *sunflower oil. To the oil a mixture of water and acetic acid was added and mixed to allow the alkaloids to migrate to the water as tryptamine and beta carboline acetates.


The solution was filtered through wet cotton to remove any sunflower oil contamination, and evaporated to yield a waxy material. Sodium carbonate was added, then water and mixed into a paste. This paste was powdered and extracted three times with 99% isopropyl alcohol to yield a small ammount of yellow waxy crystal smelling of indole when vaporized.

So, the old literature for this strain has a 2/1 ratio DMT/5-MeO-DMT (Trout), and alkaloid content of .15% dry weight in one finding(Trout). Thats .1% DMT and .05% 5-MeO-DMT. This strain is also thought  by some to be the same as the AQ1 strain, both believed to originate in Italy. More work needs to be done to say much about alkaloid levels for this strain, especially if this and AQ1 are synonamous. AQ1 is reported up to 1%(Samorini, 2002).


The extract, weighing 22mg was cautiously vaporized over a short period of time. Visual phenomenon was hardly present, and instead an empathic and euphoric tryptamine energy rushed through my body. The effect built to a peak at around the 2 minute or so mark, and maintained a plateau for 10-15 minutes before tapering off slowly. The state was clearly tryptamine and familiar of very low dose 5-MeO-DMT, likely in ratio with a number of other tryptamines and beta carbolines. The extract had a clean and meditative feel to it. I know only of one other person who has used this strain, as australian acacia researcher who also has similar experience with it. This, along with AQ1 I would suggest folks stick in they're gardens for the future.


I have not gotten around to extracting from this strain again yet. In the future I plan to runing TLC on the extracts.


I have added this grass to brews with peganum harmala and other plants. That is something to discuss later because unextracted phalaris as ayahuasca or "ayahuasca analogue" admixtures brings up a number of issues.


* A number of vegetable oils, including sunflower oil have been shown to be of use as non polar solvents in the extraction of tryptamines. These oils require modified extraction teks to work.


References


-Trout, Keeper. Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants & analogues. 2007. Retrieved from http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/ayahuasca_apa/aya_sec3_part2_phalaris_strains.shtml


-Samorini, Festi. "Ayahuasca like" effects obtained with Italian plants. 1994
#7
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
December 06, 2017, 09:16:36 PM
That is a question with a complex answer. First of all, brachystachys is a species not very well explored for it's entheogenic potential. A number of species( arundinacea, aquatica, canariensis etc) all can express chemotypes that will be 5-MeO-DMT dominant. Any number of alkaloids could be present in unkown ratios with random genetics. Brachystachys is seems to be a more stable producer of DMT/5-MeO-DMT at higer levels than arundinacea.


You will need to either defat or salt the tryptamines out of a non polar solvent to end up with anything you would want to smoke or vaporize. Also, be aware alkaloids such as hordenine are alochol soluble.


The only way to know is to grow it out and test it, however I never suggest anyone go out and ingest plants of questionable chemistry and murky at best historical use. Be safe.


#8
Science / Re: 5-MeO-DMT in Phalaris grass species
December 02, 2017, 06:02:50 PM
You are not off on the delay. Some strains of phalaris have that effect on myself as well, suggesting novel beta-carbolines/tryptamines present..this is especially true in my experience of Phalaris Arundinacea. The grass also needs a diff extraction tek than what you can get away with when it comes to other more well understood tryptamine sources. I reduce the water extractions all the way down to resin, base and pull with dry ethanol or iso..filter well and evaporate..convert the goo back to a salt and pull with water..filter well and envaporate..back to base..then start np solvent pulls. It's to easy to loose the alkaloids otherwise if you try to go a simple A/B route.

[/size][size=78%]Hi Banco[/size] :)

I will try to add what I know to the discussion. 


First, anyone who is really considering extracting and ingesting phalaris extracts should become familiar with what we already know at the nexus. No need to repeat the past with something as complicated as phalaris genotypes etc..


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48635


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16810


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29986


https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=407613
^ for anyone who ever doubted the existance of a phalaris crystal ;)
 
..and his pdf..this guy really deserves respect for being one of first I know of..
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28869


Volume 3 Issue 1 of Dragibus my article "Phalaris Entheogenesis" I discuss my experience growing/extracting/bioassaying a number of strains. I am not sure if that text is availble online somewhere..I may be able to link it here later.


So..what do we know now that DeKorn etc may not have?..one..gramine is not the toxin once thought..that is totally up in the air afaik, and neither it nor any of the other alkaloids of the phalaris genus are thought to be responsible for the phenomenon of "sheep staggers". The theory now involves infected grass.


okay..hordenine..also perhaps non toxic and consumed as a supplement by many..also present in lophophora etc..but we are not interested in gramine or hordenine. Simple..neither come out of an extraction in relevent levels when naptha is used as a NP solvent, and the alkaloids are precipitated out as tryptamine and beta-carboline salts
to then be converted back to freebase..or whatever..


When talking about chemotypes, most people are going off of DeKorns work, which suggested 3 main pathways for the synthesis of alkaloids in Phalaris Arundinacea. Those unfamiliar should reference his work and become familiar. It is not so simple. For instance, wild grass collected in the PNW, extacted and analyzed via gas chroma showed DMT, NMT, 5-MeO-NMT, 2MTHBC and 6-MeO 2-Me-THBC...the 6MeO2MeTHBC was the main alkaloid, by a large margin. The second highest and main tryptamine present was 5-MeO-NMT. DMT and NMT were present at levels 4x lower than 5-MeO-NMT. No 5-MeO-DMT was found. This throws off the theory..if the tryptamines are going to methylate you would assume to find both 5-MeO-NMT and 5-MeO-DMT..esp with both DMT and NMT present..where is the 5-MeO-DMT? I think this is far more complicated. Phalaris Arundinacea has a very broad chemical phenotype. Extraction processes cannot be ruled out as missing stuff either..nor can analysis..but still the gas chroma is telling enough. I can talk more about arund later..because my experience with it is all over the place.


The strain I currently experiment with is Phalaris Aquatica cv australia. It is an australian cultivar of aquatica thought to have originated in greece and perhaps be synonamous with the AQ1..


k..more on that next post..
#9
Introductions/Newbies / hi
November 28, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Hello..my name is Jamie. I have been around the nexus and other forums for some time.


Im here mostly out of interest in continued research on tryptamines in general. I believe in underground research, and I have seen what has come out of the nexus. I have done work in the past with alkaloids of anadenanthera species in particular bufotenin which I have written about elsewhere which has led me to question the theory put forth by some currently that Alvarius was the Mayan Toad. I have some opinions on that and why I think it may have  been marinus, but can get into that elsewhere :)


   ...I have done work extracting diff strains and species of phalaris grasses, including extracts  with weird tryptamines and beta carbolines like 5-MeO-NMT showing up in analysis and this is always an ongoing experiment as I grow this stuff and play around..might as well log it here.

Anyway..I have worked with most of these medicines from meo to iboga etc..Im a 33yr old guy in the PNW and I work in horticulture..its my life and what I do..and these plants are the reason. I have spent a great deal of the last 15 years researching these things..jumping around in academic studies from anthropolgy to horticulture..but my  fascination and utter dedication to these special plants and compounds has always been my muse.


Have I had success with 5-MeO like exerpiences with grasses? yes. Low level effects. I have strains going of interest that have been somewhat successful. Nothing like a full on light out with the pure crystal. I have a strain of aquatica I suspect has both the tryptamines of most interest I throw in brews with acacias. I dont have enough info to say much more about that atm and am hoping to find a venue to share and learn more about this particular tryptamine and continue research into botanical sources.


oh...my only experience with meo is with the synthetic crystal snuffed, vaped and sublingual with beta carbolines. It's a rare compound in my life and I have not seen the pure crystal in two years....ummm I grow lots of cactus, and fungi stuff. Thats all for now folks  :)