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Title: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Flux on January 09, 2018, 07:20:50 AM
KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS,

The overwhelming somatic aspect of the 5-MeO-DMT (and other psychedelic medicine) experience is something that I continue to attempt to understand in some way in order to harness, utilise and apply the experience and concept to everyday life somehow. So much focus is given to the psychological aspects of psychedelics and little to the kinetically sensory facets. As 5-MeO-DMT is unique in its targeting, aligning, clearing and releasing of what is often perceived as ‘the energetic body’ and exhibits time and time again a fury of energy either pouring through the physical bodily vessel or arising out of it, it seems to me only causal that many individuals would interpret their experiences through the concept of Kundalini (awakening or otherwise).


I hear the term Kundalini so often and used in many different ways and contexts, it can often seems like an ambiguous ‘new-agey’ marketing variation on other practices like Yoga, Tantra and the like. Yet nonetheless, I have visualised, felt and witnessed in others what appears to quite specifically be a rising of a serpentine like energy from the base of the spine (which is about as far as my knowledge and understanding of the phenomenon extends).


I would like to start this thread with some resources that may help to build a common framework for what Kundalini is in the context of the psychedelic experience, and of course particularly 5-MeO-DMT to subsequently gather knowledge about the intersection between the two. I therefore extend a welcome to forum members better versed, studied or practised in the Kundalini phenomenon, (its traditional/mythological origins, theoretical applications, and disciplinary devotions) to contribute to this understanding ...or for anyone to simply share any anecdotal experiences.

Kundalini Awakening Systems 1, Drugs & Kundalini http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/kundalini-drugs.html#.WfPIvI-CzIU (http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/kundalini-drugs.html#.WfPIvI-CzIU)


Psychedelic Drugs & Kundalini, by Donald J. DeGracia, Ph.D. http://www.dondeg.com/metaphysics/lsdweb/kundbk.html (http://www.dondeg.com/metaphysics/lsdweb/kundbk.html)


Psychedelics and Kundalini awakening,https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760224 (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760224)


Do Psychedelic Drugs Mimic Awakened Kundalini? Hallucinogen Survey Results, by Donald J. DeGracia, Council for Spiritual Practices, http://www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/kundalini_survey.html (http://www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/kundalini_survey.html)


Extended Kundalini Awakening LSD by Mahan Atma, https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=10774 (https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=10774)


Insight Practices, Kundalini, and Psychedelics Safety, Dharma Overground,

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/6017679 (https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/6017679)

Psychedelics and Kundalini Energy, Bluelight,  http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/445770-Psychedelics-and-Kundalini-Energy (http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/445770-Psychedelics-and-Kundalini-Energy)


With Gracious Blessings,


Flux
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Bancopuma on January 10, 2018, 01:48:36 PM
Hi Flux,
 
This is an interesting topic, thanks for providing some further reading on this. I do think there is something to this kundalini stuff, and that the yogi's are on to something. I'm not claiming to have personal experience with it although I have experienced different facets of what I would consider my bioenergetic system. And it is this system as you point out that 5-MeO-DMT seems to work with, in a highly specific manner compared to other psychedelics. So I've long pondered a potential link between kundalini and 5-MeO-DMT. Also quite interesting to note that endogenous 5-MeO humans has been detected in cerebrospinal fluid, and textbook kundalini rising symptoms are the feeling of the energy moving up the spine (not claiming there is a connection, I just thought it was interesting). If there is a potential neurochemical link between the experience of kundalini and endogenous compounds, 5-MeO-DMT is an interesting potential candidate (given its profound potency compared to N,N-DMT).
 
I thought Indian yogi/mystic/writer Gopi Krishna's eloquent account of his full kundalini awakening experience sounded very familiar with respect to the 5-MeO experience:
 
"The illumination grew brighter and brighter, the roaring louder, I experienced a rocking sensation and then felt myself slipping out of my body, entirely enveloped in a halo of light. It is impossible to describe the experience accurately. I felt the point of consciousness that was myself growing wider surrounded by waves of light. It grew wider and wider, spreading outward while the body, normally the immediate object of its perception, appeared to have receded into the distance until I became entirely unconscious of it. I was now all consciousness without any outline, without any idea of corporeal appendage, without any feeling or sensation coming from the senses, immersed in a sea of light simultaneously conscious and aware at every point, spread out, as it were, in all directions without any barrier or material obstruction. I was no longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point, bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible to describe."
 
...sounds familiar, no? The experience of light, and waves of light, the loss of contact with the physical body, the experience of boundless, bodiless consciousness, a state of exultation and bliss...there a number of interesting overlaps with a full release/breakthrough dose of 5-MeO.
 
Now one thing you tend to hear from yogi's into kundalini yoga and other forms of yoga that work with this kundalini energy is that it takes a great deal of preparation and purification, and guidance is required in order for one to awaken their kundalini safely. An analogy sometimes used is that trying to awaken kundalini before one's system is ready for it is akin to try forcing far more voltage through a bulb than it can handle...you need to tune up the electrical circuitry with practices and under guidance so you don't get any short circuits with all that excess energy going into one's system. I'm not sure to what degree this is outdated dogma, and to what degree it is true and sage advice (I've heard a few believable accounts of people suffering side effects from practicing kundalini yoga and having to cease their practice so I think there may be something to this)...it would be good to have a yogi or two chime in here. But kundalini syndrome (the side effects of a kundalini awakening gone wrong) or symptoms like them rarely seem to be reported by 5-MeO experiencers...so I'm wondering if they are different even if they overlap to a fair degree.
 
It would be really interesting to hear from someone who practices kundalini or other forms of esoteric yoga for their perspective. This is the perspective of a Nexian who has experience with N,N-DMT, an NDE and kundalini yoga, and he felt there was a great deal of overlap between them:
 
"In my life so far I've had an NDE, smoked DMT, and also had brief insights through Kundalini yoga (which I had to stop), interestingly enough they were all very similar experiences with similar visuals, emotional states and thoughts."

Also this I believe is relevant here, the words of another Nexian who may be a member here, who had an accidental dose of 30mg 5-MeO-DMT via IV (being under the impression it was N,N-DMT). This induced a hybrid experience somewhere between a very heavy 5-MeO experience and a classical NDE. The relevant part here is the after effects he experienced:

"The after effects are one of the most striking things about it. I want to know why that happens. Is there some kind of metabolite; like nor-ibogaine that sticks around for a while active in the system? Or is it some kind of "subtle body" effect, ala kundalini, that although still un-measurable, unquestionably exists if it can be stimulated through a drug! I felt like I was "downloaded' upon coming down instantly with a knowledge of the 'technology' of yoga. The way and reason that pranayama, asanas, and mudras work in conjunction with one another to manipulate energies within the body to become a circuit for subtle energy. However, with no real practical knowledge, my experiments put me on the verge of insanity I felt and I had to stop. At one point, I regressed into the mind of a mouse along my ancestral line right after the extinction of the dinosaurs trying to figure out what to eat and how to survive. That was typical day in the weeks after the experience."
 
An interesting topic for sure...thanks for all the linked resources I'm going to check them out.  :)
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on January 11, 2018, 10:19:14 PM
Now this is quite a lovely thread to discover, here at the 5 Hive.  Kudos Flux, you've birthed a wonderful topic for tremendously significant discussion! My very first mystical experiences were triggered by LSD.  My own spontaneous Kundalini activation occurred in 1978, before I even knew conceptually speaking, what "the serpent energy" was about...  nor had I any knowledge of the chakras, astral planes or causal planes, let alone the state of Samadhi. 


But along the way, the association between Yogic, Tantric, Gnostic and Taoist practices further ignited the journey. As surely as dawn follows night, the activation of kundalini ignites exponential spiritual awakening, deeply within the soul resonance of the fearless conscious-awareness of the cultivated psychonaut (21st century Rishi/Shaman).  I offer a very deep bow.   _/|\_ _/|\_ _/|\_


Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on January 16, 2018, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: Bancopuma
I do think there is something to this kundalini stuff, and that the yogi's are on to something. I'm not claiming to have personal experience with it although I have experienced different facets of what I would consider my bioenergetic system. And it is this system as you point out that 5-MeO-DMT seems to work with, in a highly specific manner compared to other psychedelics. So I've long pondered a potential link between kundalini and 5-MeO-DMT.
Myself being a 5-MeO-DMT virgin, I cannot say with any validity whether or not 5-MeO has a greater capacity to trigger the release of Kundalini.  I have, however, had the experience of full blown Kundalini activation triggered from:  LSD-25, mescaline, psilocybin and NN-DMT.  When I initially encountered "the serpent energy", back in 1978, I had no knowledge of the phenomenon, despite having practiced sitting meditation since 1975.  Through martial arts training, I had been introduced to Seon Buddhist meditation (Zen).  So, perhaps this influenced the release?  It was to occur on my 5th or 6th trip on acid...  and the effects changed my life permanently. 
 
Quote from: Bancopuma
I thought Indian yogi/mystic/writer Gopi Krishna's eloquent account of his full kundalini awakening experience sounded very familiar with respect to the 5-MeO experience:
 
"The illumination grew brighter and brighter, the roaring louder, I experienced a rocking sensation and then felt myself slipping out of my body, entirely enveloped in a halo of light. It is impossible to describe the experience accurately. I felt the point of consciousness that was myself growing wider surrounded by waves of light. It grew wider and wider, spreading outward while the body, normally the immediate object of its perception, appeared to have receded into the distance until I became entirely unconscious of it. I was now all consciousness without any outline, without any idea of corporeal appendage, without any feeling or sensation coming from the senses, immersed in a sea of light simultaneously conscious and aware at every point, spread out, as it were, in all directions without any barrier or material obstruction. I was no longer myself, or to be more accurate, no longer as I knew myself to be, a small point of awareness confined to a body, but instead was a vast circle of consciousness in which the body was but a point, bathed in light and in a state of exultation and happiness impossible to describe."
 
...sounds familiar, no? The experience of light, and waves of light, the loss of contact with the physical body, the experience of boundless, bodiless consciousness, a state of exultation and bliss...there a number of interesting overlaps with a full release/breakthrough dose of 5-MeO.
A wonderful book!  I highly recommend reading Gopi Krishna's epic book, Kundalini:  The Evolutionary Energy in Man.
 
Quote from: Bancopuma
Now one thing you tend to hear from yogi's into kundalini yoga and other forms of yoga that work with this kundalini energy is that it takes a great deal of preparation and purification, and guidance is required in order for one to awaken their kundalini safely. An analogy sometimes used is that trying to awaken kundalini before one's system is ready for it is akin to try forcing far more voltage through a bulb than it can handle...you need to tune up the electrical circuitry with practices and under guidance so you don't get any short circuits with all that excess energy going into one's system. I'm not sure to what degree this is outdated dogma, and to what degree it is true and sage advice (I've heard a few believable accounts of people suffering side effects from practicing kundalini yoga and having to cease their practice so I think there may be something to this)...it would be good to have a yogi or two chime in here. But kundalini syndrome (the side effects of a kundalini awakening gone wrong) or symptoms like them rarely seem to be reported by 5-MeO experiencers...so I'm wondering if they are different even if they overlap to a fair degree.
 
It would be really interesting to hear from someone who practices kundalini or other forms of esoteric yoga for their perspective.
Within days of my initial experience, I began to read Swami Paramahansa Yogananda's, Autobiography of A Yogi  I was initiated into the practice of Kriya Yoga in 1979 and began the gradual journey of Self Realization.  Kriya Yoga is essentially the science of Kundalini activation and the cultivation of an unwavering degree of concentration. 


Kundalini is studied through many branches of Yoga and Tantra.  Such pathways are incrementally developed methodology and great care is taken to prepare the nervous system and neurological functions to balance the explosive release of the life force coiled at the base of the spine. Purification of the sadhaka is a prerequisite but eventually, the activation is a geyser-like flood of energy, shooting up the spinal axis, where it reaches full bloom at the Sahasrara (the 7th chakra). 


When the seeker effectively enters Savikalpa Samadhi, the inner witness merges with the nondual state and the experience dissolves, albeit temporarily, the division between the relative and the absolute vanishes, perceptually.  Finite reality is revealed to be infinite reality and in such blinding effulgence...  the greatest ecstasy is birthed.  One so sweet, it vaporized the human ego.  Interphase with the undifferentiated realm of the Unified Field is perhaps the ultimate reason for human evolution. 


Namaste, All.   _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Bancopuma on January 16, 2018, 04:09:59 PM
When the seeker effectively enters Savikalpa Samadhi, the inner witness merges with the nondual state and the experience dissolves, albeit temporarily, the division between the relative and the absolute vanishes, perceptually.  Finite reality is revealed to be infinite reality and in such blinding effulgence...  the greatest ecstasy is birthed.  One so sweet, it vaporized the human ego.  Interphase with the undifferentiated realm of the Unified Field is perhaps the ultimate reason for human evolution.

...this describes my life changing breakthrough Bufo/5-MeO-DMT experience from last year very well indeed! All the more intrigued to know what you will make of 5-MeO-DMT, Rising Spirit, given your extensive background with yoga and experience with such states...  :) _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: HumbleVoyager on January 16, 2018, 09:53:41 PM
Amazing thread! This coincides with this occult manuscript I have been looking over quite a bit recently...
Right click on the image and open in new tab or new window. Then you can zoom in and read it better. On the right side, you can see that it incorporates the serpent Kundalini awakening through all energy points in the body. It's a very information-dense manuscript, incorporating many different ideological systems and drawing many parallels.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Flux on January 17, 2018, 03:05:03 AM
Wow, thanks HV; what an information rich image - an on my phone so really can't get much from it- so will check it out in detail later. What is the name of the text ?
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on January 18, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
I'll second that!  From Leonardo's drawing of the vitruvian or cardinal man, Kabbalistic and Gnostic imagery, Vedic chakra system, Egyptian double helix...  wow, this is a fabulous map.  I'd love to see it more clearly.  Any links or a book title? 


This morning, when I went to Facebook, this image was the first one I saw.  Not as complex or sophisticated, but kind of pretty and synchronistic to this wonderful discussion.  Coincidence or Kismet?   _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: HumbleVoyager on January 20, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
If you click on the image you should be able to download the full high quality version of the image so you can zoom in and read the details :D

Beautiful image you found Rising Spirit!
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on February 02, 2018, 08:35:51 AM
Hi Gang.


I wanted to rekindle this lovely thread, so as to share some of my personal experiences with psychedelics and the release of kundalini, "the serpent energy".  Furthermore, I would also like to shed light on the phenomenon itself, whether activated by entheogens or by traditional spiritual practices like:  meditation, breath work and shamanic ritual. 


I feel there is s great misnomer about kundalini and it's release.  It's not exactly an all-or-nothing phenomen, as many suggest, for every living creature with a spine has some degree of "activation", regardless of species.  I'll add that even mice have pineal glands and who can really say with any degree of authority, that only humanoids experience the release of this vertically rushing energy?  I'm not stating that there have been rodent Buddhas...  neither will I emphatically claim there has not been "enlightenment" in genus other than hominids.  I will assert that cetaceans like dolphins, porpoises and whales do have such propensities towards heightened states of conscious-awareness...  but that would be best suited for another thread?  Please reference John C. Lilly's brilliant book, Center of The Cyclone.


Without some modicum of familiarity with the yogic/tantric system of chakras, much of the nature of kundalini remains unfathomable to those who have yet to feel it's tremendous, geyser-like rise up the spinal axis.  In my own case, back in March of 1978, I had no knowledge of said chakras (vortexial wheels of spinning ethereal energy), each corresponding to specific organs or glands situated in the physical body, which manifest as states of mind and consciousness within the human organism.


I was tripping on LSD-25 with my roommates, way back during art school days, and around four o'clock in the morning we retired to our own rooms.  Philip and Jane were a couple, so they retreated to engage in sexual activity and myself, to sit in deep meditation, as I was hardly ready to fall asleep.  During the peak of the trip, I experienced a stirring sensation at the base of my spine, correlating to the rectal area.  As I spontaneously tightened the anus, I felt an oscillating pulsation of energy building up.  While I had been doing Zazen meditation for more than three years already, I had yet to research the yogic sciences.  So, this was wholly uncharted territory for me. 


The force released traveled upwards and the sensation was indeed, like a snake wiggling up the center of my spinal column.  What I later realized was that the serpentine "wiggling" was actually the intersection of the ida and pingala currents around the central column of the sushumna.  These twin polarities criss-cross at each chakra center and trigger activation of these vortices, as the force escalates it's geyser-like ascent to the higher regions of the cranium.  All I knew was that I felt each intersection as if I had become a helix of sorts, as depicted in ancient Egyptian artwork. 


When the surge had hit the ceiling, so to speak, the current spouted from the top of my crown like an ejaculation of sorts.  This was perceived as if a fountain had been turned on inside of my spine and cascaded above and beyond the confines of my material body.  All of the current seemed to center itself at about arms length over my head.  I gazed upwards, towards the fulcrum pulsing above myself.  I found myself awake and alert, ascending through intent alone, higher above the physical form of my human identity.  I heard various humming, rushing, ringing tones both within and outside of what I routinely experienced as the boundaries of myself.  I saw a blinding white light radiating from the top of my head and my third eye was the lens which viewed this tremendous effulgencence.  It seemed to dissolve my mind and silence all of my thoughts.  Where was I and what was happening to me?


I clearly recalled the time I had nearly drowned in our swimming pool, when I was 9 or 10 years old.  I had gotten tangled-up in the ropes around a styrofoam lifesaver and inhaled a good deal of pool water.  Thankfully, my stepfather pulled me out of the pool and pumped the water out of my lungs and gave me CPR.  I heard loud "pop" sound and found myself floating about ten or twelve feet above the drama unfolding beneath me.  Me?  Wasn't I the little boy clinging to life or was I the soul who existed before there ever was a baby me born?  Being a child, I hadn't a clue as to what was happening...  but I knew I had almost died.  In essence, I had returned to my ethereal body and was disconnected from my material shell.  Suffice it to say, I lived through the traumatic event but never again felt that I was merely a 3-dimensional mortal, for I had tasted the immortality of the spiritual, the realm of the soul.  I knew that one day I would again be free to take flight into the beyond.   _/|\_ _/|\_


Needless to say, peaking my brains out on acid was not exactly the same phenomenon but the sensation of transcendence was the same.  I slipped out of myself and desperately wanted to merge with the great light.  As I hovered overhead, I could hear this incredible rumbling sound.  It had a ringing overtone to it but it was an oscillation of sorts, which made itself heard as AUM.  Decades later, the carrier wave encountered with NN-DMT would take me even higher.  This tone vibrated in sync with my state of being and began to wash away my earthly identity.  For a few hours, I stayed in this deep trance state.  When the rushing force settled back downwards...  I was reacquainted with my ego-self and it's life drama.  Honestly, I was never quite the same. 


Currently, after forty years of training in Kriya Yoga, as well as other systems like:  Surat Shabd Yoga, Sufism, internal Taoist practices and Zen, it's clear that one's ability to silence the mind, shift one's attention and move by sheer intent alone, beyond the restraints of dualistic perceptions and the consequences of dreaming...  results in a fullness with sweetest emptiness, thereby fusing the mind's heart with an incredible self-erasing force (like a moth to the flame).


 Ideally the intensity is far more grounded and truthfully, less powerful.  In theory, within my routine spiritual sadhana there is no outside catalist nor external trigger but when I do engage in entheogenic voyages, the powerful geyser-like rise in kundalini is much the same as ever.  My very first NN-DMT journey blew the proverbial door off the hinges, to such an immense degree, I assumed I was never coming back!!!  I did return, but of course and I am grateful to have the chance to become a better person.


The second to last ritual I partook of with psilocybin mushrooms, was much the same.  Instead of sitting in padmasana or "lotus posture", I lay flat on my back in savasana or "corpse posture".  My physicall body felt particularly electrocuted from the flood release of potent current and it was only through breathing consciously and methodically, that I gradually centered into a tranquil state of mind and ease of body.  Initially, my prone body was actually pulsating and practically bouncing off of my bed!  I felt almost like a strip of bacon in a frying pan!  Eventually, I let go of control and things balanced to a far greater harmony.  Ahhh...  sweet release.


Being ripped apart between the juxtaposition of the physical and astral bodies can be both foolhardy and quite dangerous, psychically speaking.  Had it not been the intervening of my highest spiritual Master, I may have been damaged terribly.  Who can really ever know?  Suffice it to say, full kundalini activation is hard on the neurological system and if the nadis are not cleansed thoroughly enough, over a prolonged period of regular training, all hell can break loose.  Nadis are the subtle channels in which the kundalini flows.  Kind of like psychic nerve conduits, as conceived of within the philosophy of yoga and tantra. 

In my daily practices, the incremental cultivation of this serpent energy is a very, very looooooong attunement, not a sudden geyser coming out of nowhere.  But I suspect when the groundwork is prepared thoroughly enough... the release could well be just as intense.  Would anyone care to share any of their own kundallni experiences on either NN-DMT or more importantly, with 5-MeO-DMT? 


It is noteworthy that James Oroc, the author of Tryptamine Palace, clearly states that NN-DMT opens up the ajna or 6th chakra (third eye) and 5-MeO the sahasrara or 7th chakra (the "thousand petaled lotus abloom way high up within the crown).  Being a 5-MeO virgin, I cannot add any insight here about the mighty 5 but any of the major psychedelics trigger both and more, in my own experiences.  Hari Om Tat Sat.


Ciao.  Have a wonderful day or night, my friends.  <3
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: JO_neness on March 26, 2018, 12:42:01 PM
I got kundalini syndrome from it. 30+ times used. Didn't respect it enough. Flew too close to the sun and now I'm burnt. There's 4 distinct blockages of energy in my body that I cannot release. (2 in both feet, 2 in both knees) I've got almost no sleep for 3 months. I'm always cold. My skin has aged 10 years in three months. I'm depressed as hell. Tried everything to fix it and nothing's working. Losing hope, might just call it a day.


Please oh please, when you feel after a 5-MeO experience that there is energy still hanging around, give your body time to process it. Don't go chasing after the energy.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: HumbleVoyager on March 28, 2018, 12:34:10 AM
I got kundalini syndrome from it. 30+ times used. Didn't respect it enough. Flew too close to the sun and now I'm burnt. There's 4 distinct blockages of energy in my body that I cannot release. (2 in both feet, 2 in both knees) I've got almost no sleep for 3 months. I'm always cold. My skin has aged 10 years in three months. I'm depressed as hell. Tried everything to fix it and nothing's working. Losing hope, might just call it a day.


Please oh please, when you feel after a 5-MeO experience that there is energy still hanging around, give your body time to process it. Don't go chasing after the energy.

Hey there JO_neness, if you are interested, would you want to start your own thread to track your process with this? Perhaps start one in the experiences section and then we can track your integration progress and support you all in one place. This would also be really helpful to others who may be experiencing something similar in the future.

We're here for you and we're glad you reached out for support.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on April 07, 2018, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: JO_neness
I got kundalini syndrome from it. 30+ times used.
The often overwhelming release of the Kundalini is essentially, one's own life force itself, moving the fulcrum of conscious-awareness witnessed within the visions of both the psychonautical voyager or esoteric mystic, back up to the initial source, the Godhead.  I feel that Kundalini is not a syndrome or a malady.  Lack of buoyancy, confidence, self-control or basic fearful human resistance...  these may well indeed be a syndrome of sorts?

That being said, if integration is not cultivated and proper groundwork worked through, the symptoms you describe can occur.  You'd find Gopi Krishna's book an insightful read.  My small advice is to spend further time laying said groundwork, even if you are suffering from having moved too high, too quickly.  Healing is a natural, incremental process and each step you take towards a greater harmony with the universal force, the closer you will come to finding balance and peace of mind.  Try to find your center within your own spiritual heart. <3

Quote from: JO_neness
Didn't respect it enough. Flew too close to the sun and now I'm burnt. There's 4 distinct blockages of energy in my body that I cannot release. (2 in both feet, 2 in both knees) I've got almost no sleep for 3 months. I'm always cold. My skin has aged 10 years in three months. I'm depressed as hell. Tried everything to fix it and nothing's working. Losing hope, might just call it a day.
Again, the more effort you expend working on a gradual building-up of the natural flow and rise of the serpent energy...  the sweeter the experiences will get.  Consider this mega-overwhelming stage you are experiencing a gift.  An overpowering one but ultimately, a blessing.  The BIG issue here is the ceremonial way and the rapid speed at which you have achieved full activation.  Also, I suspect that you've gone to the well too often, without the required purification.  Who hasn't at one point in the journey?  Along with respect for the Medicine it's necessary to respect for the hidden energies within your own neurological system.

I personally feel that the true value of any psychedelic experience is how one both grounds and integrates this unlimited power into simple, everyday living.  You desperately need to do an ego check and be prepared to do some serious work.  Please don't, "call it a day".  Please be patient with yourself and the awakening rush of psychic energies.  Often times, when we boldly open Pandora's Box, the lid gets blown off with sometimes damaging results.  But you will heal.  Keep the faith.  Hold onto the light.  You ought to ease back on your usage and that's an understatement!   

Quote from: JO_neness
Please oh please, when you feel after a 5-MeO experience that there is energy still hanging around, give your body time to process it. Don't go chasing after the energy.
Wise advice and I'd add that you, I, each of us...  needs to recall the lessons learned and deeply ingrained, at the very appex of the peak experiences.  Surely there was medicine guidance and spiritual teaching conveyed, in those 30+ times, yes?  What might help you most is to train yourself to consciously enter into meditative states and perhaps even more importantly, add physical balancing into your life.  Hatha Yoga, Tai Chi Chuan or Qigong would be most beneficial for your predicament.  Exercise more and worry less, my friend.   _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: HumbleVoyager on April 09, 2018, 12:07:26 PM
Really great advice from Rising Spirit here.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on April 09, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
HumbleVoyager, I am most humbled myself, that you even feel my verbose ramblings are of some value and worth.  I fully realize that never having been graced by 5-MeO-DMT...  much of what I express is subject to valid criticism.  But ever the hopeful optimist, I await the anointment with this great teacher and highest spiritual guide.


Also, I sincerely hope I did not come off as a total downer to JO_neness, seemingly being critical or preachy.  I truly care about this person's dilemma.  Still, when the planets align, the proverbial doors all fly off the hinges and the moment is absolutely right, the Divine pulls us into the undifferentiated state, the indivisible core, the insubstantial source of our very own selves...  and destroys our ignorance and sense of limitation and ultimately, separation from everything else within this web of being. 


I pray our friend learns the way to balance the onset of the energy.  Let's all share some empathy and compassion for our new family member.  Love, light and purest intent to you, dearest JO_neness.   <3 <3 <3



Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: JO_neness on May 03, 2018, 12:45:34 PM
Hey Guys, I wanna tell you I'm fine again. Stopped meditating altogether and the energy is almost gone now. Sleeping well. Thank you for your concerns!


I want to share something with someone who might need it in the future: Even if it feels like you can't sleep because of huge amounts of energy coursing through the body, just try to anyway. What happened with me is that, the energy eventually numbs itself and then out of nowhere, you fall asleep. The first week I had to wait about an hour for it to calm down, so I added one extra hour of sleep. Now I fall asleep as quick as the next man. It gets better, friend. Take care.


Also, stop using any meditative techniques you have discovered to raise the energy, even though they make you feel amazing. It's not worth your sanity.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on May 10, 2018, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: JO_neness
Hey Guys, I wanna tell you I'm fine again. Stopped meditating altogether and the energy is almost gone now. Sleeping well. Thank you for your concerns!
I'm so glad to hear you've found some equilibrium and are able to sleep properly.  Insomnia is one of the unfortunate side effects from full on Kundalini activation.  Your instincts are correct about shifting attention and moving into other fields of mind, tuning into alternate brainwave states.  Learning to do this is the essence of true meditation and said, "meditation" is opening a doorway beyond oneself, which leads to your own eternal nature.   <3

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Also, stop using any meditative techniques you have discovered to raise the energy, even though they make you feel amazing. It's not worth your sanity.
Pardon my candor but your inability to balance and integrate the force of the "serpent energy" is precisely because you are growing rapidly in conscious-awareness and so, you are opening yourself up to the inner mechanics of your own neurological system and what lies beyond the 3rd dimension.

Deep meditation is the very best way to gradually train your body and mind to integrate the immense surge in psychic energy, incrementally, purposefully and holistically.  Again, I humbly suggest you ease back down on your use of 5-MeO-DMT and/or other self-shattering entheogenic substances...  atbleast until your system is ready. 

You've essentially released the floodwaters of immortality, but just a wee bit too suddenly and perhaps, you were somewhat unprepared?  Who ever is, though.  Cultivating an unwavering focus and creating crystalline clarity of intention is a life long journey.  Walk in peace and harmony, my friend.   _/|\_ _/|\_

Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: HumbleVoyager on May 10, 2018, 09:48:55 PM
While I generally agree that it is best to fully develop meditative techniques and strategies in combination with medicine work, sometimes if one finds themselves in water too deep, it can be very resourceful to stop meditative practices as well as medicine use. Once the individual is ready to return to the work, the opened spaces will reopen for them.

Not to take away from what you said, Rising Spirit. My intention is just to offer another perspective on the process that JO_neness may have been going through.

In general, I'm really glad to hear that they are feeling better and sleeping well again.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on May 11, 2018, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: HumbleVoyager
Not to take away from what you said, Rising Spirit. My intention is just to offer another perspective on the process that JO_neness may have been going through.
By all means, please continue to shine your light upon any statements I utter.  I just feel that in combination, Kundalini Yoga with any of the major Sacred Medicines, often overwhelming forces are released within the biology of the traveler.  But the molecules increase the process exponentially, while the Yoga...  by itself, is far less precipitous.   _/|\_


From July of 1991 until January of 2009, I partook of no psychedelics at all.  Throughout the time I still practiced deep meditation, Kriya-Kundalini Yoga, Surat Shabd Yoga and Zazen.  Rarely was I unable to balance and integrate the released the serpent energy, as it was so much more gradual. Full moons were perhaps the only exception. 


Fate drew me into the enigmatic dance with NN-DMT and I was hardly able to withstand some of the tremendous force of the geyser-like erruption!  The same goes for psilocybin mushrooms.  I honestly believe that "going to the well too often" is responsible for many voyagers troubles in grounding the surges in their Qi.  These days, I partake when I am invited by the Medicine Teachers and this is but a handful of times per year.  How often do most 21 st century psychonauts imbibe?   _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on July 14, 2018, 10:16:52 PM
Hi people,
                   Odd that so little commentary about this profound thread has been actively entertained.  Why so?  Even acid and mescaline can trigger the surging rise of such sheer existential energy, as such, I just wanted to ignite some degree of significant dialog about Kundalini in general and the well-documented experience reports which clearly convey the dynamic and self-shattering effects of full activation of the "serpent energy" has from an entheogenic interphase. 


Please forgive me if I generalize, as such silly attempts to assess the unknown behavior of essentially silent members of this exceptional group is both questionable and rather unproductive in it's scope.  Or is it?  Frankly, I sincerely believe that our collective,  shared experience reports are more precious than gold.  Please share your high-frequency Kundalini encounters, all of you sweet and oh so beautiful soul expressions.




                   
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: VedicPaul on October 11, 2018, 12:09:12 AM
I experienced full kundalini ascension. I've been meditating/focusing/trying for that 23 years before it actually happened from the toad medicine. Go figure. One way or another is good enough for me. It was the most profound experience of my life.
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on January 07, 2019, 10:20:17 PM
My very first Kundalini experience was triggered by LSD-25 in early 1978.  It was perhaps my 6th or 7th psychedelic experience?  And despite my years of involvement with sitting meditation (initially Zen but followed by TM), I had no idea exactly what Kundalini was or what changes it could bring to one's perception of oneself, universal energy and...  an avenue to embracing the immensity of Infinity.  Naturally, this led me on a great quest, one fueled by my initial, spontaneous experiences with the "serpent energy". 


I eagerly became involved in the Self Realization Fellowship in early 1980, which expounds the teachings of Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda (whose book, Autobiography of A Yogi, changed millions upon millions of lives).  Kundalini/Kriya Yoga is the science of energy flow and direct spiritual transmission.  It holds that prana or vital life force, is intricately linked to the breath and the vital spiritual body patiently awaits our focussed attention to awaken within this 3-dimensional paradigmn.  Meditation is sooooooo key towards this endeavor, a path leading beyond the beyondest beyond.  The auric body, the ethereal form which resides concurrent within the physical body, is nurtured and essentially ignited by the rise in our Kundalini.   


Many moons have passed since then and living life has brought me a greater understanding about the nature of this universal play of an unbridled energy and it's silent counterpart, ecstatic repose.  Many things have shaken my surface views on my own life, shattering the self-perpetuated dream of my fragile bubble of individual existence.  At the appex of my search for higher consciousness, following decades of sadhana and deep inquiry...  the alluring call of the entheogenic path pulled my attention right back to the neo-shamanic ways.  Mushrooms led me to N,N-DMT and nearly a decade later, to the miraculous grace of 5-MeO-DMT.  This sacred molecule has redefined everything I know about conscious-awareness, direct intent, spiritual resolve and the ineffible nature of the Absolute force which is all pervasive, wholly inerrant within all of this consensus world of reality, that we all co-create together.     


After some study and reflection about this sacrement of medicines, I found this website, a safe haven for those baptized by the power of the Toad healing.  A kind and wise soul helped me to fascilitate my inaugural voyage with 5.  It superseded everything and more of what my entire spiritual journey had revealed.  Granted all medicines are external allies and without their intervention, we wander through the avenues of reason and imagination.  The Kundalini release shook me to the core and I honestly expected that I had gone and done it...  overdosed and in so doing, died.  Thankfully, I live on to tell the tale.  At the peak moments of the voyage into Divine Light, it was difficult to maintain poise and posture.  I fell forward, hands outstretched, as I fell into the expanse of an infinite, all-absorbing presence.  Holy...  God!!! 

The Kundalini shot up the spinal axis with such intensity and immediacy, I was scarcely able to hold my attention upon the HUGE ascension to the higher crown region.  Good lord...  the parallel waves of energy which rises with the rushing force of the God Molecule, crisscrossed at each chakra, oddly, it did not find it's home within the sweet spot of any psychedelic traveler, the all-seeing eye, the proverbial third eye or Ajna chakra.  The current lingered for some minutes but shifted much higher, only to explode like a supernova within the field of the limitless expanse of the Sahasrara (the 7th chakra). 


Within seconds, all I could perceive was unlimited primordial Light.  I had been dissolved by the sky rocketing eclipse.  The whole of my perceptual field was fully immersed in a fulcrum of insubstanciality, undifferentiated effulgence.  Tonal frequencies hummed and buzzed with tremendous presence.  I find that 5 loves to use sound and vibration to reveal the higher truths.  I have had many whiteout experiences but this and the two other anointments which followed, lifted my awareness to the point where the difference between oneself and all other selves is zero. There are no words, truly, but suffice it to say that such grand immersions are what leads me deeper and deeper into my daily spiritual practices.  Another benefit is a far greater feeling of interconnection with all other life forms engaged within this web of life we weave as an intricate collective whole.   _/|\_ _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: bella17 on March 26, 2019, 08:45:05 PM
  Really glad to have found this thread and to see the insightful posts thus far, as it represents the intersection of two worlds that are important to me at this juncture of my life. (Hopefully someone out there is still reading!)


I am a yogi, studying and practicing from the traditional hatha background (as opposed to the Kundalini yoga teachings, which are a different methodology). I have not had a full kundalini awakening, but my kundalini has been open and mildly active for many years, particularly during meditation. Most noticeably, this comes in the form of subtle vibration, shaking, spontaneous movements that I am not controlling, etc. On a broader spectrum, it has also brought about many changes (good ones) in behavior patterns, such as eating habits, who I choose to hang out with, the direction I’m veering my life etc. On the flip side of that coin, it has also begun to drastically highlight all the things that need work… difficult things I have kept shoved neatly into those dark spaces.


I use yoga and meditation nowadays as a tool for spiritual growth, and as life and the process of going inward has started to intensify and I continue to face my own shadows head on, I have turned to exploring with various psychedelics in order to help me face the things that I’m having trouble getting to otherwise. This has been a slow process, as there has been a lot of fear on my part to “lose control” with psychedelics, but I am gaining an understanding that this is the exact reason I must persist.


My experience to date (mild mushroom trips, several ayahuasca ceremonies and most recently 5-meo) have all had one striking similarity: a strong energetic effect. A release or un-tapping of kundalini, manifesting in powerful energy surges, in some cases lasting for several hours. It was after my second ayahuasca ceremony a couple years ago this particular 8 hour (!) surge happened. This was, I believe, the moment that induced kundalini to start rising (as opposed to it mildly moving but not really going anywhere.) While most of these experiences have not been uncomfortable, per se, it’s become clear to me that when I use psychedelics it directly affects the energy system in tangible ways. Needless to say, that 8hr experience was extremely draining.


While I know I cannot lump these different entheogens into one category, as their experiences and methodologies are all different, I can broadly say that I’ve never had much in the way of hallucinogenic effect (mildly with ayahuasca) but rather, there has always been a sense that the plant (or the 5-meo in that case) was working on the energy system itself as a way of “clearing the channels”. This is in alignment with the yogic philosophy, which says we hold all of our experiences (good and bad) in an energetic seed called samskara’s. These seeds are both in the energy body and the psyche. And the sole purpose of kundalini’s rising is to methodically clear out those old samskara’s (karma’s) so that we may reach enlightenment through it’s eventual connection to the crown chakra. I believe the nature of kundalini is such that it is an intelligent process and will move as we become ready for it to move, but I also believe that plant medicine is of this same intelligence, which is why it’s been used for thousands of years in spiritual pursuit.


I understand that 5-meo theoretically opens up our crown chakra and gives us that experience of ultimate non-duality (enlightenment) but without “doing the work” and clearing the energy pathways (which also entails working on your psychology) we cannot reach that place for good. My experience with 5 was in no way earth shattering. I did not ‘see god’ or feel non-duality or any of that. Mostly, I just blacked out. But again, when coming back to reality, it unleashed a well of energy, this time all emotional. I cried uncontrollably.. neither happy nor sad. Just raw energy being released.


So… I’m not exactly sure that I have a question here, other than I’ve been giving a lot of thought lately to how my experience with my own rising kundalini is affecting and altering my experience with psychedelics. I do believe there is a harmony happening and the psychedelics are enhancing the process (which is my goal) but I also want to be mindful about the approach, as I know all to well (as others have posted) that kundalini energy is not something to fuck around with. So anyway, I’m glad to see a place where these two conversations merge. Thank you!
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on March 31, 2019, 12:11:08 PM
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I am a yogi, studying and practicing from the traditional hatha background (as opposed to the Kundalini yoga teachings, which are a different methodology). I have not had a full kundalini awakening, but my kundalini has been open and mildly active for many years, particularly during meditation. Most noticeably, this comes in the form of subtle vibration, shaking, spontaneous movements that I am not controlling, etc.

Namaskar and welcome to the 5 Hive.  It's wonderful to have you onboard.  I assume, as a hatha yogi, you practice mantra japa and pranayama?  I have walked many roads and trained in various systems of meditation but they have all led deeper within and augmented greater surges of energy throughout the body.  Sadhana has been paramount to peeling away layers of dreaming illusion and mis-identification.  On the highest levels, we find that what we seek is our very own nature itself.    _/|\_ _/|\_

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I use yoga and meditation nowadays as a tool for spiritual growth, and as life and the process of going inward has started to intensify and I continue to face my own shadows head on, I have turned to exploring with various psychedelics in order to help me face the things that I’m having trouble getting to otherwise. This has been a slow process, as there has been a lot of fear on my part to “lose control” with psychedelics, but I am gaining an understanding that this is the exact reason I must persist.

I feel that one of the greatest misnomers about the nature of conscious-awareness, especially where entheogens are concerned, is that we have any control over the process of ego death.  Each of us needs to let go, to allow for a certain undoing of the personal, mortal self.  Now as individuals, we do have tangible control over willing ourselves to embrace surrender, to accept being dissolved into the immense limitlessness of the sheer void.  And abject terror can be our teacher.  Fear is a mirror of sorts, revealing where we are attached and in so doing, how to release our attachments and face all fears as lessons in self-reflection.  That being said, I do believe that love is perhaps the greatest teacher of them all.  We lose ourselves when we love without reservation or any condition.   <3 <3   

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My experience to date (mild mushroom trips, several ayahuasca ceremonies and most recently 5-meo) have all had one striking similarity: a strong energetic effect. A release or un-tapping of kundalini, manifesting in powerful energy surges, in some cases lasting for several hours. It was after my second ayahuasca ceremony a couple years ago this particular 8 hour (!) surge happened. This was, I believe, the moment that induced kundalini to start rising (as opposed to it mildly moving but not really going anywhere.) While most of these experiences have not been uncomfortable, per se, it’s become clear to me that when I use psychedelics it directly affects the energy system in tangible ways. Needless to say, that 8hr experience was extremely draining.

Psychedelics surely do open neural pathways into higher spheres of consciousness, flooding one's attention with a tremendous bloom of insight and as  suddenly, tears away the ordinary fabric of the dreaming self, which habitually blinds us to the living presence of the Divine, right before us and the epicenter within us, all along.  Without the false fascade of being an isolated organism, separate from everything else out there, the great web of life graciously reveals the interconnection and symbiosis inherent in all life.  Grace is huge!  This enlightenment can be realized without entheogens but the sacred medicines help to expediate the process of kundalini activation and gifts the direct interphase with the source.  Yet we all come down.  Dare we call it a preview? Such immense, expansive forces being released puts a lot of stress upon nadis within the subtle body, so less is more.   

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While I know I cannot lump these different entheogens into one category, as their experiences and methodologies are all different, I can broadly say that I’ve never had much in the way of hallucinogenic effect (mildly with ayahuasca) but rather, there has always been a sense that the plant (or the 5-meo in that case) was working on the energy system itself as a way of “clearing the channels”.

Agreed, they all have very unique qualities, characteristics and attributes.  Some gift more visuals, some more sonics.  "Hallucinations" are specifically, Ajna chakra phenomena and if you imbibe in higher does of real LSD or psilocybin mushrooms, these can get very complex and quite unbelievable.  Have you vaped N,N-DMT?  Talk about a kaleidoscopic journey!  5-MeO opens channels which attune to limitless effulgence.  Each plant teacher has it's own signature and specific, potent effects. 

But yeah, they do share the capacity to dramatically shift our attention and aid in dissolving the ego-self.  5-MeO-DMT is the very pinnacle of such a powerful catalyst and I feel that it is working with our most expanded fields of the mind's heart and via the immense release of cosmic juice, explodes the seeker into that which is sought.  I concur with James Orac, 5 is a wholly Sahasrara oriented experience.  This sacrement shows us that there is no true difference between the inside and the outside.  Atman is Brahman. 

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I understand that 5-meo theoretically opens up our crown chakra and gives us that experience of ultimate non-duality (enlightenment) but without “doing the work” and clearing the energy pathways (which also entails working on your psychology) we cannot reach that place for good. My experience with 5 was in no way earth shattering. I did not ‘see god’ or feel non-duality or any of that. Mostly, I just blacked out. But again, when coming back to reality, it unleashed a well of energy, this time all emotional. I cried uncontrollably.. neither happy nor sad. Just raw energy being released.

Learning from the Toad or it's synthetic counterpart is a difficult path.  Certainly, the biggest challenge is in maintaining focus during the peak.  As the subject/object dichotomy vanishes, as individuality evaporates in the plume of the rise into Samadhi...  holding attention can be derailed and such blackouts or more correctly put, whiteouts, obscuring our remembrance of the self-shattering eclipsing with the infinity that is God.  There is just the One.  Meditation is so key to strengthening our concentration.  Ultimately, our inner vision blossoms beyond the relative perception into the transcendence of the Absolute state and this is why we are here now (where we always been and shall forever be).   _/|\_ _/|\_
Title: Re: KUNDALINI & PSYCHEDELICS
Post by: Rising Spirit on April 02, 2019, 09:58:42 AM
I'd like to briefly touch upon the state of mind which our beloved sacrement shapes.  I feel that it is key for us to understand that conscious-awareness does in fact exist without any thought, as a primary fulcrum of beingness.  Absense of mental dialog is still a vital focal point of keen observation.   The Zen tradition terms this state as, No Mind.  The great quietude.    _/|\_ _/|\_

It effulgently pulses in sheerest resplendence without need of conceptualization or quantification.  The biggest hurdle any voyager faces is the rememberance of WTF actually happens when the thinking process is frozen, or more accurately, is rapidly dissolved (albeit temporarily). 

This is essentially where deep meditation is of vital importance, for without ideas and conditioned mental modes of cognitive operation (one's  normal modus operendi), there is the life changing experience of being something else, something immense, ineffible and wholly spiritual in nature.  Unborn and ageless, yet all pervasive and ancient.

Holding focus throughout the peak reveals interiors within interiors, whose epicenter is wholly formless and undifferentiated without fixation.  I humbly confess that as terrifying as thus can be...  it blooms into the greatest bliss imaginable.  Just an afterthought.   Enjoy this eternal moment, guys.  <3 <3