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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Intro
« on: August 05, 2019, 09:35:05 PM »
Why is it that you want to be a practitioner Orion?

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: More intro
« on: August 05, 2019, 09:33:25 PM »
I always like the phrase "what you are seeking is also seeking you." Be patient. It's coming.

And when you do encounter a practitioner, I recommend having a look at the documentation here: www.theconclave.info

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: I tried to post
« on: August 05, 2019, 09:31:21 PM »
Hi Jamis

I just copied this from the pinned welcome post:

To enter the golden gateway, please write an opening post here, in introductions. This will give you access to the forum, & freedom to post in all areas.

You will be required to fill out the verification code for a total of 5 posts. From then on, you are free to write here sans a screening protocol.

Thank you for joining us. We look forward to your essential contribution to the whole.

NOTE: This is a place for an intro, please save questions you may have for the questions section.


Love,
5Hive

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Articles / essentially in good spirits
« on: August 05, 2019, 09:29:41 PM »
"[Source] is not an object; it is radical, ever-present Subject, and thus it is not something that is going to jump out in front of you like a rock, an image, an idea, a light, a feeling, an insight, a luminous cloud, an intense vision, or a sensation of great bliss. Those are all nice, but they are all objects, which is what [Source] is not.” - Ken Wilber

essentially in good spirits

Essence: 1: a volatile substance or constituent,  2: a constituent or derivative possessing the special qualities (as of a plant or drug) in concentrated form; also, a preparation of such an essence or a synthetic substitute.

Spirit 1
: an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms, 2
: a supernatural being or essence: such as
 holy spirit or soul


A brief and incomplete timeline of contemporary use

Bufo: taken from bufo alvarius (the taxonomical name for the Sonoran Desert toad); often the word used for the secretion of this animal. Sometimes referred to as sapo or toad.

5: taken from the name of the molecular compound, 5-MeO-DMT. Sometimes referred to as the god molecule, 5-MeO, jaguar, and other various monikers. This is predominantly synthesised, however extraction from plants is also possible.

Contemporary use (by smoking the vapour) of bufo began, as far as anyone knows, in the early 1980s. Contemporary use (by insufflation and vapourisation) of 5 began in the 1960s (though it was first synthesised in 1937). Generally, the usage was not broadcast very loudly. It was rare to learn about either bufo or 5, though some notable figures knew of one or the other: Terrence McKenna spoke of bufo; Ralph Metzner was a professor at the CIIS and detailed his use of bufo and 5 throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s in The Toad and the Jaguar, 2013); Sasha Shulgin included his experiments with 5 in his book, TIHKAL (1997); in 2005, the first account of an extraordinarily difficult integration of 5, Darkness Shining Wild, was written by Robert Augustus Masters; in 2006, Stan Grof briefly articulated his first experience with 5 (decades earlier) in When the Impossible Happens; James Oroc’s Tryptamine Palace was published in 2009…. Despite these mentions from some, the use of 5 (and especially bufo) was more or less absent from the discourse on psychedelics.

That changed around the beginning of the 2010s, when two people began to use the internet to share that they were offering bufo to whoever would like to have it. These two individuals are from Mexico and I call that marker in time the Mexican Wave.

This Wave was an unprecedented phenomenon that has contributed to a wider awareness of bufo and, consequently, 5. Remarkably, before the Mexican Wave, the waters were still: not only was it rare to hear about the general usage of either bufo or 5, but learning about dubious practices with them were basically unheard of. The Wave has had a wake behind it. Without digressing, however, I will get into the substance of my writing here.

 
Spirit vs. Essence

What does bufo have that 5 doesn’t?
If 5 were extracted from bufo, what would it be considered?

The secretion of the toad naturally has many components, not just 5-MeO-DMT. These components and their composition can only be found in this one species of toad, the alvarius (sidenote: the term bufo is a misnomer, since bufo is the genus of all creatures we call toads, and alvarius is the name of the specific species of toad we are taking about). Apparently, 5 is not a component in any of the hundreds of other species of toads, but only in the alvarius. So, the practical difference between 5 and bufo is that the latter has an assemblage of other ingredients.

Put simply, the composition of the various components of bufo are unique: arguably, no other creature possesses such a concoction. Therefore, I recognise that there is a spirit of the toad.

And, if 5 were not one of the components of bufo, no one would be smoking it. Its ‘spirit’, like the spirit of the hundreds of other species of toads, would not be appreciated by anyone in this same way. I have yet to hear anyone use the word ‘medicine’ for the secretion of any other toad.

5, then, is the essential component to this concoction we call bufo. The concoction—a natural blessing, to be sure—hosts the essence.

But why am I not considering that bufo (here I mean the secretion) is the essence of the animal? Because the same ‘effect’ is happening when using 5.

Is that true, one asks? What about that entourage or bouquet effect that occurs due to all those other components.... While the answer to that will most likely always be subjective, I will rely heavily on this one likelihood: no one would smoke bufo if it didn’t have 5 in it.

 
5 is essential. 5 is the essence.

Quintessence: 1: the essence of a thing in its purest and most concentrated form, 2: the fifth and highest element in ancient and medieval philosophy that permeates all nature and is the substance composing the celestial bodies

Let’s take, for example, coffee. Coffee is generally consumed because it has caffeine in it. The caffeine isn’t the only component to what we call coffee. It is, however, why we use it. Smoking bufo without its essence may be analogous to drinking de-caffeinated coffee. In the case of bufo, then, ‘de-fived bufo’. Or, a coffee substitute, like chicory for example, may be like smoking the secretion of another species of toad. It’ll have spirit, like the chicory surely has, but not the essential thing we’re looking for. Caffeine, following this train of thought, is the essence of coffee.

Different people report different things in their findings with both bufo and 5. I suggest that it is impossible to objectively know if the entourage of components that make up the spirit offer anything to the essential experience that characterises 5. The word ‘different' seems to be the common denominator. Your subjective experience is your individual truth. My guess is that individual truth evolves in many ways throughout a lifetime. Is it possible, then, that there is an evolution in moving towards what is essential?

Whether with bufo or 5, essentially, it’s All there.

 
What characterises this essence?

Essence: from Middle English essencia, from Latin essentia, from esse to bemore at IS

The unique function of 5-MeO-DMT is its efficacy in revealing the source of All. All what? Well, everything. Even nothing.

Often, the potential peak experience (what I often call a ‘full release’) with 5-MeO-DMT is related to the non-dual teachings of the most robust bodies of wisdom, ie. Taoism, Vedic texts, etc., as well as many modern ones (i.e., Mooji, Rupert Spira, et al). Without getting into what the words non-duality, or, singularity, attempt to describe, I often use the word 'Source' to underline the idea that all binaries, polarities, dualities have a source. That source can only be One. The word 'Spirit' (with a capital S) is sometimes used in the place of Source, for instance by modern non-dual thinker/philosopher Ken Wilber (quoted above). Indeed, the ineffable—paradoxically yet understandably—has many names and words; humans have always tried to ‘eff’ it.

My purpose for cursorily delving into such an immense tangent here is that there is a characteristic of 5-MeO-DMT that is seemingly unlike any other substance: that it reveals this One—this source of All—so effectively that it would seem to be its very function.

If the source of All is indeed revealed by both 5 and bufo, then one could say that spirit is not necessary for the revelation to occur. Spirit—in this case the entourage of components that make up bufo—is non-essential. But what is essential? Is the potential peak experience the modus operandi of 5-MeO-DMT?

That question, I suggest, is certainly of the essence.

To be continued....

 

 

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https://www.jameswjesso.com/transcript-psychedelic-psychotherapy-a-conversation-with-three-underground-providers-attmind-90/

There is an article published by Psychedelic Times posted a couple years ago about the Shadow of undergound entheogenic use. I would like to think that underground therapies are also very important right now, as the conventional, coded, and 'official' world of clinics, certified therapy, and research catch up.

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@HumbleVoyager is it possible to use freebase with this TEK or would anything need to change?

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Ethics and Ecology / With Surrender in Mind
« on: March 07, 2019, 09:55:00 PM »
“True surrender is never an enslavement, but rather a step toward the discovery of real power. It is the active yielding to a larger intelligence, without trying to control the outcome. True surrender is not blind. It requires real discrimination–-the capacity to recognise the necessity of completely opening oneself and letting go. Surrender does not have a finite object; one does not give oneself to something limited and bounded. If one does, then it is most likely submission—to the teacher’s personality or the Cause.”

Submission: a developmentally regressive retreat from maturity and genuine surrender.

Surrender: a progressive step beyond egocentricity toward a fuller connection with being.


The Toad Narcissists


“Submission has a narcissistic quality, in that followers seek to bask in the reflected glory of their leader as a way to inflate their self importance.”

The toad narcissist often uses doses that overwhelm the system. With doses so high, the system has no choice but to submit to the incredible power. In this way, the toad narcissist somehow guarantees the experience of a full release via force. Much like frenetic force is typically used to achieve the release that is orgasm, for example, the toad narcissist uses the strong dose to force the full release.

But release can also occur using a contrary approach. Through surrender, a genuine and intentional opening allows for the release to reveal itself. After all, the direct experience of Spirit (pure presence, samadhi, satori, the All, zero point field, etc.) reveals that it is always, already there. By using a gradual approach to find how Spirit can be revealed through a gradual process of releasing that which veils its omnipresence, the system is met with a ‘soft power’. The power of the experience is thus revealed via surrender, thus genuinely empowering the individual.

The toad narcissist’s forceful approach is to offer the direct experience of Spirit revealed via submission, thus disempowering (or falsely empowering) the individual. Seen in this lens, one could say that the forceful approach is a violation and that the gentler approach is a liberation.

It would be another space to discuss whether or not the direct experience of spirit is qualitatively affected by the approach or the nature/methodology of the revelation.

The Approach to the Summit
Descriptions and reports of the full release suggest that it is not always experienced the same way, much like each dip in different parts of the ocean has a different feel, or that no one foot steps into the same river twice. Ancient bodies of wisdom as well as modern explorers have already created a reliable-yet-iterative cartography of the psyche, the nature of existence, and the multi- dimensional and holographic aspects of reality. Moreover, the idea that there are myriad experiences of the One are apparent upon learning about different descriptions, ancient and modern, of the state of singularity. For now, I’ll enjoy the reports of these intrepid voyagers as the armchair psychonaut.

My discourse here is about how the direct experience of a full release is arrived at. Reliable technologies access the direct experience of Spirit (note that I am not meaning only trance states or other explorations of dimensionality, but of non-duality) in a variety of ways: certain styles of meditation; dark rooms/light deprivation, the hypnagogic/flickering effect, extremely large (dissociative) quantities of certain substances (many DMTs, LSD, mescalines, etc.), sound (i.e., isochronic beats), movement (shaking, dance, etc.), and sex. Some of them are approached gently and some forcefully. The gentle approach could be argued to be the most refined one.

A good example is orgasm. Orgasm is often more easily achieved through intensified stimulation where ‘more’ is required to achieve the release desired—submission. In Karezza or Tantric practices, however, orgasm is approached through a more subtle process, allowing the release to be revealed through relaxation—surrender. Similarly, some meditation approaches use sharp attention, mental concentration/control/discipline; others approach the state of Satori/Samadhi through a diffuse attention (TM, Zen, etc.). Again, the former suggest submission while the latter suggests surrender.

Generally, the gentler approaches of surrender take more time, allowing  the nervous system to relax; the machinations of letting go are honed to the point where transcendence is reached consciously as opposed to a dissociation that occurs unconsciously. With large doses of external, exogenous substances however, no time is needed—just more quantity of the substance. The exception, of course, is 5-MeO-DMT taken at certain quantities by certain methods (IM, smoking, insufflation, etc.). This substance—which is perhaps the very endogenous compound that is analogous to direct experience of Spirit—reliably reveals the state with a relatively small range of factors to be considered.

Factors unique to the God molecule
With such a narrow range, the approach to the direct experience of Spirit (which is perhaps the very function of this molecule) can change from genuine surrender to forceful submission in just a few hundredths of a gram (dosing protocols of bufo alvarius secretion and the pure molecule, for smoking, are available on 5Hive), whereas with 5-MeO-DMT the experience is relatively short—one second of infinity is all it takes to experience all of infinity. The approach—not the length of time—is of most interest in regards to the quality of the process of revealing what lays behind/beyond the veil. A few hundredths of a gram more may turn the opportunity for genuine surrender into a forceful submission.

So what happens when the desired state is not achieved? Often the remedy is an increase in the quantity of the substance, or more attempts at submission. But what about more surrender? What about the psychosomatic, sensorimotor material that makes up the veil? If there were to be less of that cellular material, there would be less need for more of the substance. However, this would require more time. More time is often used with methodologies and orientations that are therapeutic, psycholytic, trauma-informed, etc.

I have pointed out here that using more substance generally indicates an approach I call submission. More, in this case, basically means excessive. But what is excessive? It is the power that is in excess of what is required to allow for a surrender : a minimum effective dose. Arriving at a minimum effective dose (ED), as well as a (psychologically) dissociative dose (DD), is a process of discovery. As we approach the direct experience of Spirit, or dissociation, we can discover small ’s’ self in and by degrees.

I will use an analogy to explicate myself. The helicopter can take us to the summit while we sleep, while we are ‘blindfolded’, or even against our will, plowing through myriad fears (heights, abrupt movement, noise, etc.). The helicopter can also take us to the summit more consciously, with open eyes and a welcoming but not insistent window view, maybe taking breaks and checking in with the passenger along the way. The latter is the empowered, intentional choice of the person—a conscious ascension. The former is the prescribed offering of a forced ascent, usually initiated by the pilot (the toad narcissist) making sure you get to the top regardless of the quality of your experience on the way up and all too often without regard for the quality of your experience on the way back down.

Effective and dissociative dosage levels are unique to the individual for a variety of reasons. Discovering that unique DD requires time: less time than with other modalities of psychedelic or ‘medicine’ use, to be sure, but more time than the submission approach used by the toad narcissist. The helicopter either needs to have a bigger engine (force/dose) to get to the top or needs the load to be lighter (surrender/letting go). One solution is for the passenger to consciously lighten their load. This makes the ride up more of a conscious choice: the individual releases the material that veils the direct experience with Spirit (the summit, so to speak) and in so doing less power (dose) is required. Indeed, empowerment results from the conscious, genuine surrender.

Surrender empowers us.

As I argue for a surrender approach for using bufo alvarius or pure 5-MeO-DMT, I do not negate the value of a dosing regime that unconsciously overpowers the system by way of submission. From a non-therapeutic perspective, the emergence/dissolution of the body/form/ego consciousness—regardless of how it happens—may be ultimately what propels or accelerates humanity’s evolution. With this lens, would it matter how empowered a person is when having a full release?

On an interpersonal level, it is compelling to opine, that yes, empowerment liberates the person from constricted/contracted ways of living. A liberated life probably leads to the further empowerment of others—the hundredth monkey myth. On a supra-personal level, it may be that a full release in and of itself is enough to catalyst the same effect. Yet even with the hundredth monkey hypothesis, after the rate of population growth is considered (more embodied godheads exist today than ever existed in sum before), is facilitation that emphasizes empowerment (by way of arriving at the full release via genuine surrender) able to match or overtake the rate at which humans are being born?

This is where the topic of dovetails potentially to epi-genetics. Those who have a full release through submission, if we are to trust/believe/hypothesize that a genetic transformation is occurring, or at least seeded, maybe, just by having children, catalysing the transition toward a collective new dawn/awakening. The latter idea would then champion the toad narcissist. In this case, large doses (without needing to discover the DD) served indiscriminately to as many people as possible would you be the fastest approach to ensuring that full release seeds are planted and the hundredth monkey myth is enacted. The former idea would champion the surrender approach, used by those offering a psycholytic/psychotherapeutic methodology. Empowering the individual to arrive at the full release through genuine surrender would be the most comprehensive (and time-consuming) methodology; the interpersonal field thus being the level at which humanity will thrive and evolve best.

The toad narcissists may not have the time to consider these ruminations and I don’t expect that they, as I describe them, are reading this right now. Those practitioners who are interested in empowering individuals via genuine surrender in their approach may be more inclined to take the time to read this. In any case, it’s likely that there isn’t a 'best' way. The full release of the ego structure can happen many ways.
One of them is with surrender in mind.

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Hi XMN

Welcome!
Firs of all, this is the space for you to introduce yourself. Please do so and begin exploring the different sections of the forum. You'll find many relevant and appropriate topics/sections in which to ask a variety of questions.

And, secondly, correct, sourcing is not condoned at al in the forum.

Thirdly, I'm curious about your query: 5-MeO-DMT in Mexico? I'm not sure I understand. DO you mean the secretion of bufo alvarius? Because I'm not sure if there is much 5-MeO-DMT to be found in Mexico....

Looking forward to your contribution here in the 5Hive!

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Australian Researcher with no Base
« on: June 02, 2018, 09:03:05 PM »
Welcome Julian!

Your research will find a welcome home here as well as an appreciative audience.

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This topic has been moved to Preparation and Integration.

[https://forums.5meodmt.org/index.php?board=9.0]

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Grateful to be here
« on: February 08, 2018, 03:39:00 PM »
Welcome Infinite One, where infinity purrs!

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Preparation and Integration / Epilepsy and seizure history
« on: December 24, 2017, 12:25:25 AM »
Has anyone any experience with those who have taken 5 who are epileptic and or who have had seizures in the past?
If so, have they been on anti-seizure medication as well?
And, what have been the results?

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Yes, that’s what I described in the original thread that had initiated this thread....

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Hello
« on: December 21, 2017, 08:18:08 AM »
Happy to see you on here James! And I'll be happy to see any contributions you make in the forum. Your contributions to the psychedelics world are known well.

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I hear you Humble Voyager. I make no claims other than my direct experience. The dark room experience was almost identical to a full release with 5-MeO. Mapping how that happens is not my strength.

Child Horus: to me, the dark room IS the mystical teaching itself. Like with any experiential knowledge, in my opinion, one need not receive any other teachings to 'know'.

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