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Found this excerpt from gerry's book, I believe- that shows the other compounds found in toad venom (but not their respective levels)

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 Hi JO_neness,


Firstly, I want to acknowledge the difficulties you are facing as very palpable and real as I have a very close loved one that suffered from LSD induced De-Personalisation and De-Realisation (and ended up needing pharmaceutical anti-depressants, in order to re-align other life-factors that were not conducive to optimal health) and it took us a little while to even discover that these syndromes/symptoms existed and the diagnosis helped - (up to a point, at which reading too much about a condition can exacerbate its effects). Too often these post-psychedelic challenges are dismissed via explanations that are more wooly-new-age woo than practical advice and there is a lot of blame and defensiveness about the precious medicine possibly causing harm as well as a degree of 'blame' when someone does need help...but some of us are are trying to change that and much respect to you for reaching out.


Without meaning to sound judgemental though, 100 x 20mg doses of 5-MeO (rightly considered one of the most powerful psychedelics known) in a year is heavy usage even the most ardent psychonauts among us - but due to the neuro-plastic states that research is showing this compound to have, I don't feel that what you are experiencing is permanent damage. What I think might be happening (with the qualifier here being 'I'm not a doctor'), is in line with what Rising Spirit has explained about an intense emergence or surge of energy left floating inside you that has no where to be 'earthed' and so, the mind we inhabit creates a kind of 'rupture' in which the pscyhe tries to separate from the intensity of the feelings... similar to how trauma works as essentially the experience of 'too much, too fast, too soon'. What I mean by neuro-plasticity is that you are in state of being in which the laying down of new patterns or ways of being is highly primed -for example lack of sleep perpetuating itself. So essentially you will go through a period of re-adjustment in which you will need to be a little strict with yourself, but by developing some very healthy lifestyle choices you will come back to the centre of your being stronger and more resilient.


I saw in another post of yours that someone had responded with a series of grounding techniques and modalities- which is essentially the best advice I have seen to work in these situations...do everything you can do come back to 'the body' (the mind and spirit will follow)- it is your vehicle so it needs maintenance (healthy food, rest, exercise, sleep, etc). The sleeplessness however, sounds like the hardest part to deal with and I would say if medication helps then use it for a little while to get some respite but know that these things are band-aids and will not address root causes only symptoms, so what you do while you have the respite is critical. From the experience with my family member it was a also a case of adjusting to what you are feeling as 'new normal' ..in other words, like the experience itself, acceptance of whatever arises is key and resistance will increase the tension. Finding a psychedelic-friendly integration counsellor will also help enormously as this experience is so very hard to get others to relate too, so someone who understands the powerful forces at work and how to deal with their effects will benefit heaps just in being able to talk face to face (or Skype at least) with someone who understands what is happening to you, has seen it happen before and knows the way forward.


A very pertinent article came out a few days ago from the good folks at Kahpi and while it is written in the context of ayahuasca, is relevant to all psychedelics and seems like it might be helpful: https://kahpi.net/after-ayahuasca-trauma-integration/?fbclid=IwAR0rflXuN84HFfaMD5C07HPxUFrg5z6qbmNC1NwvuAIVIiz8FC5XtctFKaw


Also if you are not already a member of the 'Toad & 5-MeO Forum & Support' group on Facebook, do sign up- as there are almost 7000 people there, many with a great deal of experience, expertise and wisdom in post 5-MeO integration and aftercare as well as support for challenging psychedelic experiences. There is also a list of resources in the files section which has some great integration resources;   https://www.facebook.com/groups/813691418706935/


Take great care and be kind to yourself (and I must also say thank you for inspiring me to become active again on this forum as I have been absent for a while),


deepest regards and sincere blessings,


Flux


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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Australian Researcher with no Base
« on: April 11, 2019, 06:47:38 AM »
Hi Julian,
 
Great to have your presence here and we look forward to you sharing your findings on 5-MeO containing plants :)


cheers,


Flux


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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Hello from Aotearoa NZ
« on: April 11, 2019, 06:31:47 AM »
Kia Ora Amanhecer,


always good to see fellow antipodeans on the forum. It does seem like Aotearoa's psychedelic scene is a little more underground although there is a NZ Psychedelic Society on Facebook which might be a good way to connect with folks and share experiences, help integrate, etc. NZ does have some interesting research around substances like Salvia, Kratom and Iboga due to their legal status there.


cheers,


Flux


 

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Hi Amethystangel -


Thank you for your concern and for reporting this to us. It would help greatly if you direct us to the original post as thus will provide greatly needed context. The amount of times someone has used 5-MeO in and of itself is a decision unique to each individuals experience in life and the path they are on (and could even be a micro dosing protocol). The user's intentions behind their approach will also affect the outcomes of their journeys significantly (I personally have probably experienced 5-MeO close to that many times at varying doses  - though have recently stopped due to diminishing returns and benefits).


It is more the comment about 'jumping off a cliff' that is of concern to us as moderators- is this a quote from JO_oneness?. I will attempt to read back through this member's past posts to see what is happening there and consult with other moderators on the best course of action to take.


Also in your post, I trust that you mean 3mg NOT 3grams (a 100X fold difference) - if you could edit and clarify this please that would help avoid any others from misunderstanding safe 5-MeO dosage.


kind regards,


Flux

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Dobkin de Rios, M. 1974. The influence of psychotropic flora and fauna on Maya religion. Current Anthropology 15: 147-164. http://rbedrosian.com/Ethnob/Psychotropic_Flora_Fauna_Maya_1974.pdf

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Thanks you Infinite Spirit,


Always love hearing reports from people who experience the Mudra phenomenon...I don't think its that common and it is my intuition that these positions act like antennas allowing the body to channel the force of the universal energy pouring through us in a manner that somehow acts like a perfect circuit of efficient process.


This observation of that 'narrative-less purge' with 5-Meo is something I have often felt to be one of its most efficacious gifts. Often with medicines such as ayahuasca, the purge is a story, construct or unhelpful pattern that we have attached to hence it needs to be examined as we let go of it whereas 5-MeO seems to be able to get beneath this 'self-identification' to traumas, pains, sufferings, fears, ect that we have held so deeply and for so long (perhaps even genetically inherited) that we are no longer even subconsciously aware of them, they have become an unaccessible part of our being... and thus to release these blockages to our true divinity is indeed a sacred gift :)


Thanks you so much for this truly well articulated sharing of what sounds like a ceremony conducted with great integrity and love,


blessings,


Flux

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: intro
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:15:18 AM »
Hi Earlchambers,


it is actually quite significant what the benefit of age can do to ones approach, process and integration of the psychedelic experience. 5-MeO is certainly 'next level' medicine and I hope you the 5-Hive can assist you in an informative and considered manner,


welcome,


Flux

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Greetings
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:12:17 AM »
HI Joe -welcome :)

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Introductory Post
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:11:49 AM »
Hi Dr. Nowhere,


This medicine can certainly challenge our preconceptions and who or what we think we are. Exploring Psychedelics bought up many a pertinent issue around 5-MeO and it would be nice to hear your reflections on it. I hope you find the advice you are seeking and that this space here helps your connection to others on this path,


welcome,


Flux

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Silence Love
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:06:59 AM »
Welcome Nada,


Thanks for the intro and I hope the space here can also be a node in the larger network of unconditional love, understanding, oneness and the toad, and hopefully you can connect with some local folk,


cheers,


Flux

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Hello new family
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:03:54 AM »
Greetings Entheo_Flock,


Welcome tot he 5-Hive and may you continue to find peace and friendship on this path,


Flux

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Introductions/Newbies / Re: Love is the Law
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:02:04 AM »
Hi Kali Ma,


That is some valuable experience you have gained there and we look forward to your contributions,


welcome,


Flux

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Preparation and Integration / Re: Integration
« on: June 26, 2018, 12:53:29 AM »
Listening to Dennis McKenna on Joe Rogan a few days ago, I am reminded of his stance that "if you are experiencing it, it is real". Thus the experience of 'this world' is as real as the experience of 'that one' and building some kind of epistemic bridge between them is important hwever that may work for you.


Often one of the overlooked aspects of integration is the everyday mundane tasks...washing up, showering, sitting in the sun, walking to the shops, etc. people rush to embrace other spiritual modalities like Vipassana meditation, Kundalini yoga, Wim Hof breathing, etc...when what is most needed is not to facilitate any further 'awakening' but to anchor the one that 5-MeO has catalysed

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Preparation and Integration / Re: Integration
« on: May 06, 2018, 02:36:15 AM »
Hi there mrnothing -
it seems that physical activity helps greatly with reactivations, grounding especially but being in nature, swimming, running and yes, yoga. In terms of the blank canvas effect, this is not uncommon and can occur with other psychedelics too. What I would suggest is start trying new things in order to build up new connections to meaningful actions... learn an instrument, learn a language, try painting or drawing, or anything creative, volunteer something that could use your help... the sense of being in service is really valuable.
all the best,
Flux

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