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questioning toad and 5
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:20:35 AM »
 
hi everyone, it is being 6 months I am exploring 5 and the wonder toad and I am begining to question the value of peak experiences, after having them I am back to position 1, the old dear and sometimes despised celestino, I see no transformation at all and I remenber traditional spiritual teachers saying, "there are no shortcuts in spiritual life". A peak experience comes and goes and I think it is better a "valley experience" which is myself all the time, always avalaible, at any time, with no substances involved, just following the natural way of meditation and the like, as someone said, "as many faiths, so many paths".

all the best. celestino

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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2019, 01:43:18 PM »

hi everyone,

I just forgot to tell that a small miracle has happened, "I have stopped biting my nails after 60 odd years without any volition or intention on my part, one day
 

 I realised that I was not doing it anymore!

The wonder of the unknokwn!  all the best. celestino


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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 03:04:20 PM »

hi everyone, it is being 6 months I am exploring 5 and the wonder toad and I am begining to question the value of peak experiences, after having them I am back to position 1, the old dear and sometimes despised celestino, I see no transformation at all and I remenber traditional spiritual teachers saying, "there are no shortcuts in spiritual life". A peak experience comes and goes and I think it is better a "valley experience" which is myself all the time, always avalaible, at any time, with no substances involved, just following the natural way of meditation and the like, as someone said, "as many faiths, so many paths".

all the best. celestino

No one experience will change someone. It is the interaction of preparation, experience, and actions that are consciously taken afterwards that come together to produce change.

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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 01:20:36 PM »



Wise words, thank you.

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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 09:17:09 PM »

From my own teeny-tiny/ itty-bitty perspective, the true magic of any psychedelic molecule is it's ability to TEMPORARILY immobilize one's mind, one's personal identity and the silly mortal attachment to this material, external realm of existential being.  There is soooooooo much more to experience than what our physical senses, emotions, intellect and instincts reveal.  The soul is our core and it is forevermore indistinct from the source.  Sacred medicines heal the blind and give hope to the lost.  5-MeO-DMT is far and above any other sacrement, that I know of, in this profoundly remarkable regard.  It's highest gift and guidance is it's immense ability to obliterate the separation of that which has been created, from the very creator, itself.  Within the nondual pulse of eternal balance, all that is...  is irrefutablely united as One seamless happening.  We awaken to remember that we are each and all of us, are indistinguishable from said, indivisible Godhead.  We have always been limitless light in resplendent, blissful Omniscience.   <3 <3


Even so, the molecule releases us back into our personal dreamscape.  Only fools and escapists think that any entheogen, no matter how powerful it is, can permanently erase the lines of duality, forevermore.  My take on sacred medicines is that they provide mind shattering, deeply spiritual glimpses, views into the ultimate field of reality.  We are called upon to do diligence, every day, in every way...   to earnestly fuel such sky high epiphanies with undaunted heart and soul.  Our task as pilgrims alongside way, is the work of cultivating an unwavering, clear intent, a focussed awareness and a highly attuned degree of attention to this present moment (an eternity in the making).  It may seem like work or study...  but it's actually wondrous play.  Meditation is an endless joy!  Discovering center is a true and nurturing blessing.  This game of life reveals itself at every turn of the path, eh?  Aham Brahmasmi.   _/|\_ _/|\_
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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 09:59:15 PM »

Hi Risingspirit,

my first and most illuminating experience with the sapito was,"NO WORDS, I JUST DISSAPEARED", no god, creator, light, self or whatever and the beauty of

this was that "WORDS DID NOT MATTER AT ALL!" Of course once back we live in the world of words.

One day as I was sitting in meditation the word Vedanta came to me, the end of the Word!!

As for the second part of your reply 100% agreed.

Perhaps the sapito is showing what lies at the end (begining of real spititual life?!) of the spiritual practices, kind of a foretaste of the pie that is waiting for

us! it may be ok for eager souls such as myself, the ectasy and then the laundry!

All the best and thank you for your reply. Celestino

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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 10:19:22 PM »

I honestly do agree wholeheartedly.  The blinding light of absolute truth transcends any mere word play or cerebral, mortal ideology.  Mind lives within the dynamic of conceptualization, followed by myriad thoughts, imaginings and words.  Conscious-awareness can freely exist soley and soulfully, without any strata of subjective quantification, thought or finite idea.  Words indeed do chase ideas and human notions, like a puppy dog chases a tennis ball.  To be without any defined self, minus any iota of thinking or feeling...  is what 5 reveals.  It cannot keep us still and empty for long, but it does gift the anointment of Sunyata, however brief.  Daily meditation and integration are saving graces.  It's our challenge to ground and integrate this miraculous awakening.  _/|\_ _/|\_
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Re: questioning toad and 5
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2019, 08:13:24 PM »


Quote from: celestino
Hi Risingspirit,

my first and most illuminating experience with the sapito was,"NO WORDS, I JUST DISSAPEARED", no god, creator, light, self or whatever and the beauty of this was that "WORDS DID NOT MATTER AT ALL!" Of course once back we live in the world of words.

One day as I was sitting in meditation the word Vedanta came to me, the end of the Word!!


My inaugural voyage was very similar.  The molecule stopped my mind entirely.  I was not unconscious, yet my awareness did not involve thinking or feeling, as I had been shattered completely into an infinity of cosmic dust and lost any subjective reference point.  I recall believing that I had overdosed and had actually died.  As I dissolved like an Alkaseltzer tablet in water, all thinking ceased entirely.  I was gone and yet...  I was experiencing a vast expanse of blinding whiteness, which I knew was the unbroken field of Brahman (that is, after I came down and began quantifying the immense expansion and sheer bliss I had undergone from dying and being reborn, once again).   


Well, it's not exactly like seeing the white light, as without any polarized strata of duality, there was no darkness to define any source of light, no one to recognize any effulgence.  All four journeys had much to teach and reveal, but this occured just prior to and immediately after the timeless peak.  During direct interphase, I do not know what happened but I got a sense of source and divinity, as my conscious-awareness began to reshape itself as a finite self with an individuated, defined perspective.  Even so, I intuitively knew that the source was no different than myself.  Nothing was different or separate from the Oneness.  After all, there is only one of us, forever coming and going, as this or that...  an eternity in the making.  Aham Brahmasmi.   _/|\_ _/|\_
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